You are twisting my words.
The three videos I'm talking about are the gradius videos. Speed is not the essence there for the simple reason that the games are fixed-speed scrollers. Besides the boss fights there's nothing else to do in these games than try to do something funny. These games are not very suitable for *speedrunning* and more to perform awesome stunts. In fact, the official attitude towards the gradius videos is "no more of these, please", which I think is quite telling.
The others you are referring to are bordercases. A few frames may have been sacrificed in order to make the run more interesting, or a 1 frame faster submission may have been rejected because it doesn't contribute anything (the game is not well known and it just doesn't make sense to steal the original video from the original runner).
Even if some frames have been sacrificed for entertainment, speed is still the main goal in those videos too. Sacrificing a thousand frames for entertainment would be completely unacceptable because the run would then be just way too slow. Also in runs where there are some constraints to make the video more interesting, speed is still the main goal. Sloppy running is not allowed, no matter how "fun" it may be.
Let's put it this way: How many submissions have been rejected during the entire history of this website because they were not fast enough? Sloppy running has always been the biggest argument to reject a submission.
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I hope this doesn't set you off again, but: Most runs are rejected because they aren't entertaining enough. We turn back a lot of runs because they are slow, yes, but I attribute that as "slow = boring". Also, a non-insignificant amount of movies are rejected because they are too boring to watch.
The movies that I am referencing arent a matter of 'a few frames'. Each of the Street Fighter 2 movies sacrifices a lot of speed to make some cool combos and whatnot. Otherwise, each fight would be the ~6 second Zanghief KO that Saturn/Shakespeare made. You can't tell me that entertainment isn't the main focus of those movies.
Anyways, I tire of this debate. Neither of us is making any leway here. Someone else can fill in for me. :)
Have you ever read the workbench group? It's quite full of questions and suggestions related to speed. There are tons and tons of questions along the lines of "at xyz you did this, but if you had done that instead wouldn't you have saved a few frames?" or "was it really necessary to collect item x? you would have saved a lot of time if you hadn't taken it" and so on.
I don't remember too many suggestions along the lines of "if you sacrifice 5 seconds of speed here it would be much funnier". In fact, many videos sacrifice funny things for speed simply because it would be too slow to do them.
Just because in one movie some seconds were sacrificed for entertainment doesn't make it the general rule. As I have been saying many times, the rules are flexible. However, the main principle of making a video here is to complete the game as fast as possible. Sacrificing speed for entertainment is very rare and judged in a very case-by-case basis. It's sometimes tolerated, but in the vast majority of cases speed wins.
On another forum I read, there's this super awesome animated emoticon with the guy eating from a bag of popcorn (most often used to imply that the poster is sitting down to watch the drama unfold in the thread).
Not being a fan of emoticons, I'd be using that one pretty frequently if it existed.
On another forum I read, there's this super awesome animated emoticon with the guy eating from a bag of popcorn (most often used to imply that the poster is sitting down to watch the drama unfold in the thread).
I like that idea. I've been wanting to use it myself a couple of times.
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Warp wrote:
JXQ wrote:
The same argument could be made for not changing the site's name from Nesvideos to TASvideos.
Personally I don't care if it's nesvideos or tasvideos. Nesvideos was more established, tasvideos is more accurate.
If this is the case, I personally would say that it's best to use whichever will give us more benefit in the long run. That would be TASVideos.
Here's another petition: please make "TASVideos" the official name rather than "Tasvideos" or "TASvideos". Capitalization is cool.
We should include the letter X somewhere in the name. It is a well known fact (at least from a Stargate episode) that a name sells better if it contains an X.
TAXvideos
There's your X right there. Also, the X can be a wildcard for any kind of movie, it can either be a speedrun, an entertainment run, or something completely different, it just has to be tool-assisted. And it has to be X enough to impress the viewers.
naming-discussion solved, coolness increased.
any.. uhm.. objections?
TAXvideos
There's your X right there. Also, the X can be a wildcard for any kind of movie, it can either be a speedrun, an entertainment run, or something completely different, it just has to be tool-assisted. And it has to be X enough to impress the viewers.
naming-discussion solved, coolness increased.
any.. uhm.. objections?
"I need help filing my income taxes. I know, I'll search for a how-to video!"
That sorry person will never get their taxes done with that suggested name change. =)
really now. is this really necessary. If everyone is so caught up about it, why not change the name to BisqwitsArchive, or, Bisqwit.org. mostly anybody now who watches over videos know the name bisqwit, and what his site is about.
so, i say i do like nesvideos better than tasvideos, but maybe something we can all agree on instead of argueing.
So my suggestion is change it to BisqwitsArchive.org , or, change it back to nesvideos.
really now. is this really necessary. If everyone is so caught up about it, why not change the name to BisqwitsArchive, or, Bisqwit.org. mostly anybody now who watches over videos know the name bisqwit, and what his site is about.
Because it's not descriptive and doesn't really mean anything (for people who don't know who Bisqwit is).
Sure, "TAS" all by itself isn't descriptive either, but when people see the meaning of the acronym it's a lot clearer. It's the same thing as with "SDA". However, "BisqwitsArchive" doesn't mean anything.
And someone else might take over once Bisqwit gets tired of it!
Bisqwit wrote:
Doesn't work nicely together with your animated avatar.
Zurreco's avatar isn't moving very well at all in this Internet Explorer. Should I ask my roommate to TRY SOMETHING ELSE? USE YOUR HEAD, HUNT! NO, NOT LIKE THAT! TRY SOMETHING ELSE!
That Mission: Impossible Nintendo 64 game was a little silly, yes.
put yourself in my rocketpack if that poochie is one outrageous dude
e: please don't image leech, or there will be DIRE CONSEQUENCES
