I tried watching the latest WIP last night and it worked fine until the child portion of the Spirit Temple was done, then it desynched for me. Oh well.
I was thinking about the sidestepping vs backwalking thing when wathing this. Sidestepping looked faster to me. Oh well :)
and kooz,
I totally see your point and I don't mean to be mean or anything, but you're definately in the minority on this one. It's somewhat rare for TASes to intentionally sacrifice time to make something look more entertaining, and when it does happen it's usually for very small amounts of time. I don't want to make up numbers here but not backwalking or sidehopping would make this ALOT slower. It really is quite a bit faster.
Edit: Of course, it's also arguable how much more entertaining looking such a run would be. Personally I like the style of Guano's run.
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It's cool. I figured I was in the minority when I was the first to mention it. I'm definitely not in dislike of Guano's style, but of the trick itself, which is, unfortunately, required to effectively make this TAS. I had no idea it was 1.5x faster than regular walking.
As far as entertainment value goes, I'd still have to say I'd rather watch it for 4.5 hours being able to see what's going on than 3 without. But since I'm the only one who cares I'll probably have to do it myself ;)
I think this is a good point. I've watched the console speedruns and read the trick discussions etc, so I'm pretty familiar with what's going on in most places already. If you're not I can certainly see why it might be boring.
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How can I fix the 2nd Owl Dialogue? It keeps making me roll backwards instead of rolling to the chest. I really dont want to do all of that over again.
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I haven't seen it from that point of view before...
I always know exactly what he's doing in every area, so I don't really mind him backwalking. But I can imagine it might be very confusing for people who aren't that familiar with the game...
Perhaps we should appeal to Nitsuja to look into this issue. If we have all experienced this desynch at certain times and yet not others (which many of us have) and we all have the correct settings, it could be an issue with the emulator internals not timing something properly.
I think I had a similar problem when I tried to watch a previous WIP. It might have been caused by enabling "Copy framebuffer to RDRAM," since all of the other settings were correct afaict. The owl talks haven't been a problem for me, though.
Well, when I watched the latest movie with an old save state I had made where Link had just reached the Desert Colossus area or any save state afterwards, he always rolled the wrong way. So I took the time to let it run from the very beginning, and that made it work, including from when I made a new save state. It turned out the owl took off in a different direction after the conversation, causing the camera to be somewhere else after that, causing Link to roll to a different place. However, after the cutscene where Nabooru got taken away, Link sidejumped off the building, but he didn't die, merely slipping down safely, swinging his sword, inspecting a patch of soil, and playing around on the menu, so that didn't get me much further.
Ooh, could you hack the game to make the explosion bigger to make sure?
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The latest WIP release still messes up at the owl when I play the movie from the beginning. But when I load the attached save state the movie plays just fine.
It's interesting that the owl can take different routes. Did you notice any one of them to be faster than the other?
Oh, was he supposed to die at that part? I guess it messed up on my computer, then, since I got the same result as Bag of Magic Food. I'm talking about the previous WIP (page 14), BTW, as I haven't had a chance to play back the latest one.
EDIT:
I just tested it, and I get the same no-death behavior with the latest WIP.
Which rom do you use?
I've tried all the OoT roms that I have, but none of them seems to work properly. Link gets the kokiri sword and then after a black screen it messes all up...
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damnit, when I jump it doesnt register the me pressing down because the buttons are a little delayed. This is a problem. If someone can play the whole thing up to Jabu Jabu, please save it and send it back to me if that will help.
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ROM Information
RP Good Name: Legend of Zelda, The - Ocarina of Time (U) (V1.0) [!]
RP Internal: THE LEGEND OF ZELDA
RP Size: 256.0 MBit
RP Country: USA
RP Ini Code: EC7011B7-7616D72B-C45
RP MD5: 5BD1FE107BF8106B2AB6650ABECD54D6
RP Plugins
RP Video: Jabo's Direct3D8 1.6
RP Input: N-Rage`s Direct-Input8 1.60
RP Sound: Jabo's DirectSound 1.6
RP RSP: RSP emulation Plugin
I have encountered the same problem as several other posters - Link gets the Kokiri Sword and then it gets all wonky from there. And yes, I did check the Raw Data in the Input Settings screen.
Does having a different video plugin file affect whether it's in sync or not? Right now I have g|N64 v0.4.1 as the video plugin, but mwl says that you need the Jabo's Direct3D8 1.6 plugin (where can you get that plugin anyway??)
I know the video plugin probably doesn't even affect the desync problems, but... just thought to ask.
Actually the plugins do matter. The plugins you need come with Mupen. This is why when you load the movie to be played it displays a screen showing what you settings you need versus what settings you have. You must make the two match or else it probably won't play correctly.
It's the plugin that matters most! The duration of pausing is different for each plugin. It's causing the Kokiri Sword desynch. I'm not sure what's causing the owl desynch, but I just played the new m64 file from the save-state. Hopefully we get this stuff sorted out.
Ahhh, I knew I had a funny feeling about the video plugin being a part of the desync problem. I've changed the video plugin and it seems to be working just fine - and even corrected most graphic problems (everything was white in Link's house, ick!). And it looks significantly faster than the old plugin I had, so that would explain the constant desyncing problems I had.
I've also discovered something rather interesting: if the video is going to desync, the file name when you start a new name will be I. However, it will work perfectly if the name entered was J.
It's a good way to tell whether the movie will desync or not without having to wait further on to see if it's going to desync or not.
EDIT: Nevermind, it desynced shortly after getting the Silver Gauntlets.
Hmmm, desyncs right at silver gauntlets now, whereas the previous WIP was working fine....gonna try again without fast forwarding and see if that helps