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So are you interesting in showing ads from alternative? Edit: Fastclick moved to http://www.valueclickmedia.com/
Radz.
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That site gives a big fat blank page.
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Shakespeare wrote:
So are you interesting in showing ads from alternative? Edit: Fastclick moved to http://www.valueclickmedia.com/
I have the impression that Fastclick/Valueclick ads are usually quite distracting and make me want to remove them from my view. I do not wish to offer that experience to the users of this site.
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well, since the google ad thing was for money, why not charge 10 cents per movie download :P......... *hides*
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Xkeeper wrote:
Yahoo is doing this, too
It could be worth looking into their services, Bisqwit...
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Xkeeper wrote:
Nice of them to not even mention anything. My faith in Google just dropped.
So did mine.
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A company that can choose to terminate your account and not pay you without providing any proof of wrong doing is one that should be avoided. I will also advise people I know to beware of AdSense. Sorry Bisqwit.
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Aw, now you're going to make me feel bad for recommending it to Bisqwit in the first place.
put yourself in my rocketpack if that poochie is one outrageous dude
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Well, strictly speaking, you did violate section 3 and possibly 15. 3. Communications Solely With Google. You agree to direct to Google, and not to any advertiser, any communication regarding any Ad(s) or Link(s) displayed in connection with Your Site(s). By making this topic, you started a discussion about the Google Ads with someone else than Google. That's technically a violation of the terms of use, although I've seen many sites make a topic on their forum about the ads, so I don't think that this would be the cause. 15. Google Rights. You acknowledge that Google owns all right, title and interest, including without limitation all Intellectual Property Rights (as defined below), in and to the Program (including Google's ad serving technology, search technology, referral technology, and Brand Features, and excluding items licensed by Google from third parties), and that You will not acquire any right, title, or interest in or to the Program except as expressly set forth in this Agreement. You will not modify, adapt, translate, prepare derivative works from, decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble or otherwise attempt to derive source code from any Google services, software, or documentation, or create or attempt to create a substitute or similar service or product through use of or access to the Program or proprietary information related thereto. You will not remove, obscure, or alter Google's copyright notice, Brand Features, or other proprietary rights notices affixed to or contained within any Google services, software, or documentation (including without limitation the display of Google’s Brand Features with Ads, Links, Search Boxes, Search Results, and/or Search Buttons, as applicable). "Intellectual Property Rights" means any and all rights existing from time to time under patent law, copyright law, semiconductor chip protection law, moral rights law, trade secret law, trademark law, unfair competition law, publicity rights law, privacy rights law, and any and all other proprietary rights, as well as, any and all applications, renewals, extensions, restorations and re-instatements thereof, now or hereafter in force and effect worldwide. By trying to download the Javascript, I believe they might have thought you were trying to get it for the purpose of modifying it ("You will not modify, adapt, translate, prepare derivative works from, decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble or otherwise attempt to derive source code from any Google services, software, or documentation, or create or attempt to create a substitute or similar service or product through use of or access to the Program or proprietary information related thereto."). Just downloading it alone might constitute "attempting to derive the source code of". All in all, though, I still find it very strange and wrong that they terminated your account.
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Omega wrote:
Well, strictly speaking, you did violate section 3 and possibly 15. 3. Communications Solely With Google. You agree to direct to Google, and not to any advertiser, any communication regarding any Ad(s) or Link(s) displayed in connection with Your Site(s). By making this topic, you started a discussion about the Google Ads with someone else than Google. That's technically a violation of the terms of use, although I've seen many sites make a topic on their forum about the ads, so I don't think that this would be the cause.
I'm not sure about that - the clause you quote sounds more like a "if you got a problem with an ad being displayed on your site, contact us instead of the operator of the website that's being advertised" kind of thing, not like a general prohibition to talk about google ads (in general or specific ones) with anyone except google.
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>3. Communications Solely With Google. You agree to direct to Google, and not to any advertiser, ... Can't be this, because we are not advertisers.
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Aw, now you're going to make me feel bad for recommending it to Bisqwit in the first place.
Yeah, I recommended it too a while back in an off topic topic, sorry Bisqwit :( BTW even it was some of the things that you guys mentioned, the fact still stands that they wouldn't even read his explanation, or provide details as to why
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Truncated wrote:
>3. Communications Solely With Google. You agree to direct to Google, and not to any advertiser, ... Can't be this, because we are not advertisers.
They say that all talk about Google Ads must be directed to Google, and not the advertisers. That doesn't mean that we're free to talk about it at all, since they explicitely mention that you must direct any talk to Google in any case. There's no provision that says you can talk about the Google Ads if you're not an advertiser. These terms of use must always be followed to the letter. There's no "but what if they mean this?" or "but it kind of sounds like they mean this..." Their terms of use state that talk about their program goes only through them, and we're not Google.
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So asking in (say, a general sense) if the color scheme looks good for the ads is against the TOS? The sheer excessiveness of this is unbelievable -- if you wanted to take it to an extreme, posting a message ("Ads added to front page."), even a closed one or one on the front page, would still be considered against the TOS ("communicating" the information regarding the ads to general users, aka "not google") I'm suprised they haven't canceled out account.
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Well, I rather think it's the fact he downloaded the Javascript. That seems more likely than this topic, seen as how many forums post about their new Google Ads. A lot of blogs also mention it when they get them.
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xebra wrote:
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13129-2123601,00.html
From TFA:
Instead, I decided to sign PinkNews up to Yahoo!'s pay per click programme, carefully noting the right to speak to a real human being, 24/7, if we were unhappy with the figures they provided.
Maybe that's something worth trying now?
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I've submitted this story to Slashdot. Maybe they can give some sort of clue as to what our problem could have been. If it's accepted, that is! But it's interesting news, and about Google, so I think that it might. EDIT: no, just got rejected, unfortunately.
  • 2006-04-11 08:11:48 The Nonsense About AdSense (Your Rights Online,Google) (rejected)
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I'll try as well.
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Omega wrote:
EDIT: no, just got rejected, unfortunately.
  • 2006-04-11 08:11:48 The Nonsense About AdSense (Your Rights Online,Google) (rejected)
Just try again in a few days... Slashdot editors can be rather random. I've submitted stories in the past that got rejected only to see someone else's submission of the same story get accepted later, so it can't really be the merit of the story itself that decides whether something's rejected or not...
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Well, for good or ill, mine is still pending after eight hours.
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Bisqwit wrote:
Shakespeare wrote:
So are you interesting in showing ads from alternative? Edit: Fastclick moved to http://www.valueclickmedia.com/
I have the impression that Fastclick/Valueclick ads are usually quite distracting and make me want to remove them from my view. I do not wish to offer that experience to the users of this site.
Besides, if I'm not completely wrong, the cookies given by those ads are considered spyware by most spyware-removing programs. Not very recommendable for a serious and honest website.
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I guess that now might be a good time to ask for donations? Bisqwit's donation page contains a PayPal link as well as an IBAN number and BIC code, so you can make international transactions to him easily.
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I had another idea as to what might make it appear that a bot is clicking links. Has anyone else tried the fasterfox extension to Firefox? I have been using it at home for a while now. Despite being popular it's now frowned upon by many so I might get rid of it. Anyway, one of its features is to preload links on a page which could appear as if a bot is loading the ad.
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