Here's a vid of Saturn doing the bomb Torizo escape on PAL.
Because, while Samus runs the number of pixels per second in both versions, the European version only gives you 50 button presses to work with every second instead of 60. The game cannot be played as exactly and time is lost troughout. That's what I remember Flatley saying earlier at least.
Will be so much time get lost? Skip a complete Boss is too some time which will be saved at the other side. Has someone already try it and make a TAS from the PAL Version? Is the PAL Version so much slower that I can't skip a complete Boss?
Will be so much time get lost? Skip a complete Boss is too some time which will be saved at the other side. Has someone already try it and make a TAS from the PAL Version? Is the PAL Version so much slower that I can't skip a complete Boss?
Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.
You can skip Torizo only because the door opens and closes after a fixed number of frames disregarding the version. It also means that you cannot fire and then do a horizontal superjump to a next room in some places only because the door won't have enough time to open when you arrive there.
[...] to me, glitches that rely on the fact that European games operate at a different framerate are as dumb as using a ROM that is hacked to make that door stay open longer. Why? Because when someone sees that and says "how did they do that?" you can reply with "they used a different version of the game", and suddenly, all the coolness evaporates.
to me, glitches that rely on the fact that US-American games operate at a different framerate are as dumb as using a ROM that is hacked to make that door stay open longer. Why? Because when someone sees that and says "how did they do that?" you can reply with "they used a different version of the game", and suddenly, all the coolness evaporates.
So it really works both ways
As for new games, we probably should all use the original (Japanese, in most cases, I assume) releases and stick with that - it's cooler that way, anyway, because most casual viewers (from outside Japan) probably won't have seen those yet. :) But that's just my opinion, of course.
I think we ought to use U.S. ROMs whenever possible. Although text isn't usually a major component of games, English text will be readable by the greatest number of people. More people speak English as a first language than Japanese, and far more people speak English as a second language. It's as close as there is to a universal language. It's the language of this website and these forums, despite the large number of people whose mother tongue is not English. Since both the U.S. and Japan use NTSC, many games are (JU) anyway, and the major difference between a (J) and (U) is the text. Unless there's a compelling reason to use a different version, I suggest sticking with U.S.
Yeah I admit that I wasn't thinking of this at the time, but you are right. (Sorry for being a typical American :\ )
To me, NTSC seems more desireable to TAS simply because 60fps is more to work with than 50, so more can be done on the frame-by-frame level. (Of course, I'm from the US, so it's what I'm used to as well) However, there are some situations such as Rygar or Super Metroid where it's exploitable in the opposite direction, so I guess it's tough to say which is "better", but I'm using (JU) for my 100% run.
I think you are confusing the wait time before the bomb room door closes with the amount of time it takes doors to close in general. I doubt this is changed, or it would severely affect gameplay between the versions.
Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.
But has anyone ever heard of Metroid Legacy? It's a really cool modificated version Super Metroid, like Super Demo World but for Super Metroid. ;P It can be gotten at http://sukamax.hp.infoseek.co.jp/hackrom.html. And it's the upper right picture, the one of Norfair.
