Posted: 1/20/2006 12:47 AM
Post subject: I have a great (yet probably bad) idea for avi's here!
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cheeseman
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Since the speech is skipped whenever possible to save times, we should use a text to speech program to provide voices (for people unfamiliar to the game or ending or whatever) for the games which speech is skipped. Any ideas to shoot this thought down and say it's an idiotic idea? Dehacked? Or maybe even bisqwit himself?
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Posted: 1/20/2006 12:49 AM
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DeHackEd
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A couple of points... first, you'd be amazed just how fast we can skip text when we try. Second, rules state that the AVI must be a 1 to 1 match of what the game produces. No replacing sound, no skipping/duplicating frames, etc. So I'm going with "bad idea."
Posted: 1/20/2006 12:52 AM
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cheeseman
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I KNEW IT!!! Anyways, it wouldn't be replacing any sound, and you could just summarize what they say so that it would last longer than when the character is talking. PLUS that's why it's in the offtopic board.
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Posted: 1/20/2006 12:54 AM
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DeHackEd
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If I want a plot synopsis of a game with a lot of text like Chrono Trigger, I'll read the five-minute version.
Posted: 1/20/2006 1:10 AM
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Blublu
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I have been thinking about the idea of a subtitles file that clarifies what the player is doing, for example when the player goes to menu and exits again in the blink of an eye, the subtitles might then read "Used 1 healing potion" or whatever was appropriate. But it would probably be very boring to make and might not add that much after all, and I'm too lazy to make something like this myself, so I haven't done much about this...
Posted: 1/20/2006 1:53 AM
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Blublu wrote:
I have been thinking about the idea of a subtitles file that clarifies what the player is doing
Such would be very useful for a run of Final Fantasy 5 for example, as the tactics used to defeat bosses are sometimes rather strange.
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Posted: 1/20/2006 8:08 AM
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Bisqwit
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Yes. So who will start making those subtitles?
Posted: 1/20/2006 9:29 AM
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Cmuxmt
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I think that there should be also subtitles for the emulator. "Director's commentary." Could be interesting.
Posted: 1/20/2006 11:31 AM
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Noone other than the submitter can really be reasonably responsible for making such subtitles. So I suggest that we describe the format in one of the documents about submitting/making a movie, and make it clear that players can submit their own suggestions for subtitles. Either pasted as text in the submission (that way everyone will see them, but there will be more clutter), or we start to accept multiple files in the submitted zip files.
Posted: 1/20/2006 11:35 AM
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Bisqwit
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If we start publishing the movies as MKV files, the subtitles can be includes as a separate track in the files (as opposed to burned into the video), and their displaying can be enabled/disabled by the viewer. (Which voids the point "the subtitles could annoy the viewer and thus must not be used", should someone present it.) AVI does not offer this opportunity.
Posted: 1/20/2006 12:10 PM
(Edited: 1/20/2006 12:39 PM)
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Well, you can offer a separate link to the subtitles file, which media players can handle (even WMP). Small sidetrack: I think the introductory subtitles should be burned into the video so to speak, because otherwise they are probably too easy to remove (which is the argument for having them as subtitles instead of a splash screen in the first place). Seeing how much trouble people (me included) seem to have getting MKVs playing correctly, I think fully moving to them is a bad idea. Whatever the movie format will be, how about my original suggestion about specifying the subtitle format and letting people submit their own commentary for their runs? EDIT: ambiguity
Posted: 1/20/2006 12:22 PM
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Bisqwit
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Truncated wrote:
how about my original suggestion about specifying the subtitle format and letting people submit their own commentary for their runs?
Yes, this would be great…