Dimon12321
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Aglar wrote:
http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/221249344/Chip%20%27n%20Dale%20Rescue%20Rangers%20%28U%29%20TASL1.fm2 - zone 0 better optimized
Alright. So, I decided to try this game out. This is my attempt to question Aglar's TAS of Zone O (aka. Level 1). Even though I performed the zipping glitch once and kept it all the way, instead of re-colliding the chipmunks each time, the lower route is more lag-prone (because you end up having more enemies on the screen) and I spent more time in the air by doing small jumps to keep chipmunks collided. This TAS is effectively 15 frames slower and my final position is worse because there are 3 levels of crates I need to cross.
  • Zone O1. Top floor, upper route at the beginning.
I tried taking the upper route once I reach the end of the second vertical pipe. For this, I didn't sacrifice a chipmunk for the other one to use it for a vault and performed a zipping glitch instead. Unfortunately, you can't jump over a such a big target as a mechanical dog. The only way out is to jump down where Aglar takes the lead. Aglar manages to keep the route optimized while keeping the chipmunks on the edge of the screen, although it's not appropriate, because, at some point of zipping, the game may randomly push you in the opposite direction or stop you. I don't know why this happens. Still, using such position, he manipulates luck by making the mouse above the tall block of crates jump away, hence making less creatures on the screen afterwards.
  • Zone O2
User movie #638525257538743066 No, taking the lower route to have zipping glitch for more time doesn't save time, because the mouse jumps over the crates and hits chipmunks. User movie #638525258334574985 Also, there is no way to perform one long fall right after executing zipping glitch. One chipmunk lacks one unit of X position and lands on the very edge of the crate instead. If I delay the drop, I get hit by the mouse on top.
Maybe something will be discovered in the future, but I think Aglar has probably found the potential limits: 1. A jump to an upper platform (64 units higher): video moment. The way to do this is, one chipmunk does a minor jump, the other chimpunk performs a jump of a specific length (of holding A button) and you can achieve stability by making the collision push both chimpunks straight up, without giving any X momentum to cause resonance. This way you can reach the shown level of height. After this, the game separates the chipmunks on their way down, but here they already land on the upper platform and the state of collision survives. Also, Aglar's very first jump with zipping preservation is just hilarious. He manages to handle the collision in the way so Chip lifts up in the air without jumping. 2. A 39-units jump-landing while preserving the state of collision: video moment. If you check inputs, you'll notice that both jumps with collision preservation and throws to reach the state of collision (zipping glitch) are patternized for different conditions. One step aside makes chipmunks separated.
To summarize, maybe an improvement there exists, but I haven't found it in 6 days of testing and examinations. I think Aglar's TAS is indeed optimized. UPD: fix video links
TASing is like making a film: only the best takes are shown in the final movie.
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Nice work! Video links don't work tho.
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