Arcree2
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Hey ! I've didn't find any thread for this game so I will make one. Crack Down is an Arcade / Computers game remade for the Genesis. You need to kill enemys, put bombs on the bigs Xs and finish the level. This is a good game. There is a speedrun of the game in 14 minutes but I aim more for 11 12 minutes. I've found one cool mechanic: when you go on an angle with a good angle/ good frame and good inputs, you can be telported by a few pixels. I think this is a good TAS
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Never seen this game before. Very simple, just need to find the fastest movement. Link to video Though a 2-player TAS would be more interesting and faster, I suppose. So, what I see: Super bombs will be useless. Yellow rockets destroy everything on their way. Pinning to the wall, what a nice way to dodge bullets)) 2-3 frames should be enough to avoid a shot. Looks like, enemies just block you if you touch them. Planting a bomb makes you invicible for some time.
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Arcree2
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Dimon12321 wrote:
Never seen this game before. Very simple, just need to find the fastest movement. Link to video Though a 2-player TAS would be more interesting and faster, I suppose. So, what I see: Super bombs will be useless. Yellow rockets destroy everything on their way. Pinning to the wall, what a nice way to dodge bullets)) 2-3 frames should be enough to avoid a shot. Looks like, enemies just block you if you touch them. Planting a bomb makes you invicible for some time.
2 players is not interresting due to the fact that 2 player makes the game super slow, this is why the 2 player speedrun wr is 20 minutes. This is simple movment but with the little trick I found, the TAS is a lot better. Sadly I've not used it on the first stage. I will make a WIP soon.
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I'm also making a WIP. I'll send it when I finish. And I have figured out what's the trick)) I've chosen Hard difficulty and 20 M.Gun ammo (default amount of ammo).
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Arcree2
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I'm also making a WIP. I'll send it when I finish. And I have figured out what's the trick)) I've chosen Hard difficulty and 20 M.Gun ammo (default amount of ammo).
I've set it to Hard too
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Machine gun shooting anmation - takes 11-19 frames. Melee attack animation takes 8-15 frames. Looks like the game has it's own in-game lagging which is not shown by the emulator (I use Gens 11a). I have no other reason that in different cases it takes different amount of time.
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Arcree2
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Dimon12321 wrote:
Machine gun shooting anmation - takes 11-19 frames. Melee attack animation takes 8-15 frames. Looks like the game has it's own in-game lagging which is not shown by the emulator (I use Gens 11a). I have no other reason that in different cases it takes different amount of time.
This lag is a big problem, to reduce him, I think we need to have the less possible amount of enemys shown. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uslDpggrL9k On multi-player, this is very slow for this reason, the problem is the emulator, not the game. Enemy are not RNG, that's good, I've optimized a lot my 1-1 with that (almost 150 frames)
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Arcree2 wrote:
Dimon12321 wrote:
Machine gun shooting anmation - takes 11-19 frames. Melee attack animation takes 8-15 frames. Looks like the game has it's own in-game lagging which is not shown by the emulator (I use Gens 11a). I have no other reason that in different cases it takes different amount of time.
This lag is a big problem, to reduce him, I think we need to have the less possible amount of enemys shown.
No, I got a 19-frame shooting animation while there were only 3 enemies on the screen. Maybe it's better to do a point blank rather than shoot at the first possible frame.
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1st level is done! Stage 1 Act 1 is done in 00:18.20 secs if we count frame 262 as beginning of the act and 1354 - as ending. Speedrun's time is 22 secs (±). Link to video
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I will post my wip when the act 1 will be finished. gg, this seems very good !
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Arcree2
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I just killed all my tas by trying to change something. EDIT: Ok this work, I need to do one level more and I make the WIP
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Firstly, your TAS should be faster than mine. Else, you'll have to redo your WIP.
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This is faster by 50 frames I think
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Arcree2 wrote:
This is faster by 50 frames I think
Your or my?
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Arcree2
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Dimon12321 wrote:
Arcree2 wrote:
This is faster by 50 frames I think
Your or my?
mine, I can't verify on my pc now but I think I end the level at 1280 frames. I will post my wip soon, I don't have a lot of time to tas
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Wow! Seems like I still don't know everything about this game. Will be interesting to take a look at your WIP!
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Dimon12321
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Any input file?
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I can't post WIP on the site, I don't know why, so this is the link http://www.mediafire.com/file/64tllsny3r34ns9/Crack_Down_%28U%29_%5B%21%5D.bk2.tasproj This is a tasproj file (Tastudio) and I use BizHawk for emulator
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Your file is blocked. I have doubt that your route is optimal. You could bypass some enemies without losing time. In act 1 the fastest route is going up after planting the last bomb. In act 2 you've lost much time on killing mad-murderer since he takes 2 shots to die. Melee attack is the fastest way. Killing a proto army is a waste of time, you could just bypass him. In act 3 grabbing ammo is a waste of time. Anyway, I don't contact with Bizhawk, so you can consider me an outsider. I was glad to help you!
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Arcree2
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In act 1, going down is faster, I'm sure of that In act 2, you are true, I will change that In act 3, I can really need these amos ! If I don't need them, I will edit this part when my TAS will be finished After some tests, If I modifie one input, all the TAS will be affected... There will be 30 frames lost at the start :/
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Arcree2
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Ok, I just finished at 2-2 at 3:20.241, The TAS is already faster by 1 minute than the speedrun world record !
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Arcree2
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Ok, I'm at 2-3 but I have a big problem, I can't open the bridge, I don't know how to do it and I can't do it ! This makes me rage a lot
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Arcree2
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I think my tas is dead because of that, this doesn't open when we shoot... EDIT: Finally, I've found a way to open this door ! There is no written playthrought on internet and all the videos are in easy or medium. All needed 2 or 3 shoot on the door, but after a bit of trys I've found I can open the door with 8 shoot ! I think this is due to the hardest difficulty.
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Arcree2
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There is a way to clip on the wall when you do a precise manipulation on a door which open and close. I used it at the very start of 2-4 to save some frames ! I will se if I can use it in another place :p
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