You need the sword to hurt Ganon, unless there's some new glitch about which I don't know. The best you could do without the sword is just get to Ganon's room.
adelikat wrote:
any chess game! then chess would be "solved" and I would hold the secret!
What's a "perfect" chess game, though? No piece losses? No checks received? Both? I'm not quite sure either of those would be possible, unless one of the players would play horribly.
A perfect game where each side plays the best move is assumed to be a draw by some Grandmasters. But since this is a TAS, it would probably entail beating up the snes Chessmaster very badly in just a few moves. Something we can do already. :p
A perfect game where each side plays the best move is assumed to be a draw by some Grandmasters. But since this is a TAS, it would probably entail beating up the snes Chessmaster very badly in just a few moves. Something we can do already. :p
Diablo 1 with three players (one of each class). That would be intense.
Edit: and naturally, I mean playing by "ironman" rules, which means you can't ever go back to town after entering the dungeon. (and no restarting in town if you die)
Well, Ironman players actually are allowed to return to town at their leisure (and ability). They just can't interact with the townspeople. This is useful for dropping off items you might need later, as well as for leaving gold on the ground (since in proper Ironman competitions, gold is used as a tiebreaker).
Yeah, I'm a pedant.
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You need the sword to hurt Ganon, unless there's some new glitch about which I don't know. The best you could do without the sword is just get to Ganon's room.
Well, once you get to Gannnonn's room to prove that you can do it, you can just run all the way back to the beginning, pick up the brown sword, and run all the way back to Gannnonn to win!
put yourself in my rocketpack if that poochie is one outrageous dude
I think the concept of a perfectly played competitive videogame is kinda dumb. Imagine: Player 1 maniuplates player 2 into a certain situation, then proceeds to perform a cheap manuver over and over which finishes him off. And you just keep watching that over and over.
Take SSBM, for example. Theoretically, a perfect TAS of a 1v1 would involve both characters violently attacking at each other, but the each dodging every attack. It would be fun to watch for the first 5 minutes, but it would never end!
However, since the characters in SSBM are all intrinsically different, having their own strenghts and weaknesses, it would be the job of the superior character to use his powers to manipulate the other character into a situation he cannot get out of, where player 1 would just need to perform some cheap move over and over to finish him off without getting hit. That would also be kinda dull to watch.
Back to the original topic: =p
Currently possible: Seiken Densetsu 3 (and I have no idea why nobody ever mentions this)
Not currently possible: Star Ocean 3 (TSA just had to prune the other 30+ games from his list) =p
Being action RPGs, both these games would be very interesting to watch from an action standpoint with also the great planning and strategy of an RPG. SO3 has skippable cutscenes, which is a plus. Both are quite long and nobody has seriously considered them, so the amount of man hours saved would also be optimized.
You need the sword to hurt Ganon, unless there's some new glitch about which I don't know. The best you could do without the sword is just get to Ganon's room.
Just change the rules a bit. Instead of a completely swordless run, one could do a "can get swords but cannot use swords outside of Gannon's room" run. Outside of Gannon, there's nothing in the game that forces you to press the sword button to win.
Frame perfect Half-life (1 or 2) (with vsync at 60)
The only bad part of this speed run would be, it would look like he has an aimbot...but essentially he does...
You need the sword to hurt Ganon, unless there's some new glitch about which I don't know. The best you could do without the sword is just get to Ganon's room.
Sorry for reviving this old Zelda talk, but I noticed your posts only after Pyrolistical bumped the topic today. I posted this question over at Legends Alliance a while back and I never got a response:
me at http://forums.legendsalliance.com/showthread.php?t=3887 wrote:
I recall there was a Nintendo Power issue where Counselors' Corner featured some original Legend of Zelda coverage despite the game being quite dated by that time. One Q&A it featured went something like "How do I rig the money making game?". There was also a 'meet the counselors' section where one dude listed his greatest video game achievement as having beat the Legend of Zelda without a sword.
I'd like to locate this issue and see again how those punks have misphrased it as 'beat' when it really should say 'got all the way up to Ganon and died'. Would anybody be able to tell me which # issue this is?
Since you guys generally have more mastery of games from that era, perhaps one of you could help identify that NP issue? Back then I actually did work myself on the console all the way up to the finale without a sword, only to find that I couldn't finish off Ganon.
trazz wrote:
Just change the rules a bit. Instead of a completely swordless run, one could do a "can get swords but cannot use swords outside of Gannon's room" run. Outside of Gannon, there's nothing in the game that forces you to press the sword button to win.
It's simply not the same if it doesn't show the A-button box empty throughout the entire run. Any TAS or speedrun that has to "change the rules a bit" in that sort of manner is inherently less entertaining.
-hanzou
Console: Sega Saturn
Game: Darius Gaiden
Difficulty: Abnormal
Stipulation: No use of black-hole bombs.
The only question is, which route would they take...
I think the concept of a perfectly played competitive videogame is kinda dumb. Imagine: Player 1 maniuplates player 2 into a certain situation, then proceeds to perform a cheap manuver over and over which finishes him off. And you just keep watching that over and over.
Take SSBM, for example. Theoretically, a perfect TAS of a 1v1 would involve both characters violently attacking at each other, but the each dodging every attack. It would be fun to watch for the first 5 minutes, but it would never end!
However, since the characters in SSBM are all intrinsically different, having their own strenghts and weaknesses, it would be the job of the superior character to use his powers to manipulate the other character into a situation he cannot get out of, where player 1 would just need to perform some cheap move over and over to finish him off without getting hit. That would also be kinda dull to watch.
Heh, have you ever seen the computers get into a loop where they just roll past each other repeatedly?
And Hanzou would still like to know what issue that was.
put yourself in my rocketpack if that poochie is one outrageous dude
I would like to see a TAS of any FPS. Half-life would probably be best, but I'd settle for Golden Eye as well. I've seen speedruns of the genre and they are actually quite enjoyable to watch. Think how much better they'd be with a perfect player.
What else?
Ocarina of Time
Bust a Move (or another game of the same kind)
Games which the site doesn't support yet:
Tomb Raider
Spyro
Frame perfect Half-life (1 or 2) (with vsync at 60)
The only bad part of this speed run would be, it would look like he has an aimbot...but essentially he does...
Most of the timesavers in that game consist of tau/damage boosts, not shooting at enemies.
Borg Collective wrote:
Negotiation is irrelevant. Self-determination is irrelevant. You will be assimilated.
Fastest Super Mario 64 any% or 100%, it would be nice to know if you could beat that game without any stars, and see how much time can shaved from FODA's run, since there are so many different routes.
Borg Collective wrote:
Negotiation is irrelevant. Self-determination is irrelevant. You will be assimilated.
Tactics Ogre, done by a million monkeys at a million computers until they TAS the world's fastest speedrun.
It would be cool, not to mention saving this monkey a lot of time and effort...
