This topic is for the purpose of discussing #4545: dekutony's Genesis Pocket Monster II in 04:02.90

Everything is pretty much fine except for that fight against Koffing is unoptimal. 206 (00:03.44) frames saved If you had more health or if I bothered to do the fight from the start the input would be killed earlier most likely. So, because of your Rerecord count, I'm calling you out for being lazy. But I was being lazy hex editing your input, heh.

68K RAM, 1 Byte, Signed
Koffing's HP - E4B2
Pikachu's HP - E452

Edit: I voted meh. I would actually like to see this rejected if there is not a complete overhaul on the final stage (to be honest).

So if I understand correctly, it's on Easy because hard makes damage management more difficult? I would think that's part of the challenge of an AAR.

Thank you Spikestuff for fixing all my inputs. As I can see, the edited input stops without killing him... I wasn't aware that something like that was allowed. I'm not entirely sure how to improve the fight, but I assume some little frames savers somewhere I don't know.

Lmao this game has an RTA WR? Surprising to see the Koffing fight was vastly improvable, when I thought some of the stages were. But yeah, starting and finishing a TAS in 3 days never looks good… what kind of work could’ve gone into it? I’ll still vote meh because some of the strategies are clever and it’s short enough not to get boring (except the Koffing fight)… Ah by the way, I don’t know if Spikestuff does this but I think you should end the Koffing fight with a jump and end input early, especially after that attacking loop to add some variance. Edit: btw sub 4 minutes hype.

oh,kurabu is dekutony,that makes sense now.Please,redo the sections mentioned.People have a positive attitude towards the game and run in general.

What sections? The Koffing fight? That is only one and I don't know if it is allowed to end input early without killing the boss, I think that it's better to kill him as a final input instead of not killing him early and not trigger the END screen early.

You can end the input whenever you want as long as the game will finish itself after it. Tons of published movies end the input early and let the game beat itself without doing anything for a few seconds, or sometimes even minutes. And like I said it would be more entertaining to break that stay-still-attack routine and do a jump off the platform for the last hit instead.

I killed the input as early as possible while still having the "win" result. The high jump was like that in the end so when input was killed, Pikachu would be fine getting damaged abused. Kura, do the fight from scratch. Don't get hit during the fight.

Allright, I'll redo Koffing tomorrow, it will take me a while though.

Blah. Watched it, not impressed at all. Put it on hard and avoid damage.

Put it on hard and avoid damage.

NO

Blah. Watched it, not impressed at all. Put it on hard and avoid damage.

That would make the movie much longer and much less entertaining, since it looks like damage boosts are needed to pull off a lot of the shortcuts.

If you make the fight to completion without getting hit and you don't kill your input early I can fix it for you and then be able to state which killed input is faster.

So if I understand correctly, it's on Easy because hard makes damage management more difficult? I would think that's part of the challenge of an AAR.

There would be less health and less damage boosts to manage without any kind of new strategy except resorting to normal platforming instead.

Input even more fixed!!!!!!! http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/20072027795128542 Didn't managed to kill him with 1 HP left, but with 2 HP is still good. :D

Thanks for the frame fix Spike! It worries me that there's more no votes than anything... it is because of the game or the chosen difficulty?

You know, I thought it was alright and gave it a 'meh'. The game's pace is a tad slow for me, and I think the programmers gave the final Koffing boss way too much HP. But, after all, it's a bootleg. Nonetheless, I do think the run is publish-worthy for the Vault (and nothing wrong with a having a Vault run). This is actually one of the more colorful games I've seen for the Genesis.

A more optimal jumping strategy should save you at least another 10 seconds in this run. According to some info dug up online, you should have better control over your jumps if you're not trying to move at the same time.

A more optimal jumping strategy should save you at least another 10 seconds in this run. According to some info dug up online, you should have better control over your jumps if you're not trying to move at the same time.

The problem about that is that your position stops when you stop moving left or right and the jumping position/duration also matters. I do this few times, but only on times where I cannot die or get into a moving platform.

"That would make the movie much longer and much less entertaining, since it looks like damage boosts are needed to pull off a lot of the shortcuts." What 'shortcuts?' All I saw is Pikachu jumping, hitting enemies, taking damage. In a relatively slow and simple game. I'd much rather see a slower game without taking damage (which looks sloppy), since the game is already pretty dull. I'm willing to wager there's more optimal strategies with tighter work.

What 'shortcuts?'

How about every time damage was needed to boost up onto a platform or an enemy that was higher than Pikachu's normal jump height, allowing Pikachu to reach a higher platform? Did you even watch the movie?

All I saw is Pikachu jumping, hitting enemies, taking damage. In a relatively slow and simple game. I'd much rather see a slower game without taking damage (which looks sloppy), since the game is already pretty dull.

The game would be far more dull without taking damage, it'd just be a lot more running and jumping onto platforms that don't need to be used at all to get to the level exits. Plus, it would make the run sub-optimal to remove the damage boosting, meaning this would be instantly rejected when compared to the RTA WR.

I'm willing to wager there's more optimal strategies with tighter work.

Not really. I'll admit I did some testing on the first level when the submission first popped up and this is really tight work already, given how awful the physics are in this game. Not all the damage was necessary, but it doesn't hurt the movie any in my opinion, especially after trying the game myself. It's actually pretty hard to avoid taking damage when setting up for certain tricks. The jumping in this game is absolutely atrocious and a pain in the ass to attempt to control, especially under a TAS setting, meaning there are points where you just can't jump over an enemy and still be in the proper position to set up for a shortcut without wasting a few seconds.