This TAS is 1341 frames faster than the previous published [744] NES Nightshade by Maximus in 08:27.67 using the same (Maximus') route with
  • optimized controlling of the game
  • manipulating X and Y pos to end a scene as fast as possible
  • manipulating enemies
  • abusing attack cancelling to attack as fast as possible (and chaining hits)
  • better fights
  • a little trick at the 2nd deathtrap (using the "wrong" lever saves a lot of frames because it's actully "speeds" up timers)
I don't think there's another route that would be faster than abusing death after rat boss.
Thanks goes to Nach for mentioning this game and Maximus for planning his route. See you until my next TAS =)

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This topic is for the purpose of discussing #4101: MESHUGGAH's NES Nightshade in 08:04.52
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I didn't expect to see this game back on the Workbench. This was amusing, but as is the case with a lot of storybook-style games, you really miss out on a lot of the fun and humor of the game by seeing a speedrun. I was also a little disappointed to see effectively no change in the route, but that's the way it has to be. The fights look especially quick this time. However, I have one question: why isn't it faster to have Goliath keep charging the same side of the stage each time? You make him change sides each time, and it seems he travels a long distance to do that. However, my brain has not exploded with amusement, like if I'd been strapped to a chair watching game shows. It's a fairly good run, but I'm going to have to go with Meh for entertainment. If there were any other category of a Nightshade run that led to more humor while still having good pacing, I'd be interested to hear about it.
Used to be a frequent submissions commenter. My new computer has had some issues running emulators, so I've been here more sporadically. Still haven't gotten around to actually TASing yet... I was going to improve Kid Dracula for GB. It seems I was beaten to it, though, with a recent awesome run by Hetfield90 and StarvinStruthers. (http://tasvideos.org/2928M.html.) Thanks to goofydylan8 for running Gargoyle's Quest 2 because I mentioned the game! (http://tasvideos.org/2001M.html) Thanks to feos and MESHUGGAH for taking up runs of Duck Tales 2 because of my old signature! Thanks also to Samsara for finishing a Treasure Master run. From the submission comments:
Shoutouts and thanks to mklip2001 for arguably being the nicest and most supportive person on the forums.
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mklip2001 wrote:
I was also a little disappointed to see effectively no change in the route, but that's the way it has to be.
Maximus' route is effectively skips everything that's unneccessary (domes, side quests for popularity, mystic objects, Staff of Ra). Domes needs much more time and no benefits (other than completion %), popularity is not required, Staff of Ra needs full popularity and takes more time than it helps.
mklip2001 wrote:
The fights look especially quick this time. However, I have one question: why isn't it faster to have Goliath keep charging the same side of the stage each time? You make him change sides each time, and it seems he travels a long distance to do that.
And goliath also gets bigger speed and won't make other action if I avoid him. First hit is 80 frames faster than going to right to make only "one side" battle. Second hit is 126 frames faster than going back to same "one side". It's faster to do like this (I also manipulated him to come to me as soon as possible)
mklip2001 wrote:
However, my brain has not exploded with amusement, like if I'd been strapped to a chair watching game shows. It's a fairly good run, but I'm going to have to go with Meh for entertainment. If there were any other category of a Nightshade run that led to more humor while still having good pacing, I'd be interested to hear about it.
The ninja girls are cocky, well yes, you need very good reaction and reading speed to read them since I close them as soon as possible (except maybe 2 ones to save 1-3 frames).
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Wow, I'm surprised you completed this so quickly. Nice job! :)
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This movie has been published. The posts before this message apply to the submission, and posts after this message apply to the published movie. ---- [2478] NES Nightshade by MESHUGGAH in 08:04.52
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Well, that's officially both my contributions to this site obsoleted :P Great job MESHUGGAH, I'm glad to see someone had the patience to finally optimize this run.