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Posted: 8/27/2012 5:34 PM
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Progress! sweet, sweet progress :)
Completed: 2010-Current | Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - Individual Level TASes 2014 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Any% in 1:05:03.23 2014 | Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - Hero Story (w/ THC98) in 25:11.87 2016 | Metroid Prime - Any% in 00:37 (In-Game Time) 2018 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Cheat% in 1:42.350 2020 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Any% in 0:39:20.10 2022 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Cheat% in 1:25.567 Currently working on: SA2:B DARK STORY
Posted: 8/27/2012 6:36 PM
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Brian_pso
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I highly doubt that it would be possible to use that shortcut without the bounce attack, since it is what makes the gravity broken, but I prefer to be wrong in this case =) I'm happy to see some progress on this TAS man! Edit: In case you guys haven't seen it, this has been on my HD for many months: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlzRJk5Na1o
Posted: 8/27/2012 6:53 PM
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Mr._Pwnage
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It's definitely possible to shift gravity without using bounce--I've done it with Shadow, to allow the Final Chase low-rail route of 2--but I don't know the window for pressing B well enough to make it consistent.
Posted: 8/27/2012 6:55 PM
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Bounceball doesn't break gravity. The game keeps track of two "downs". One is absolute down (which can actually change in the case of Crazy Gadget). The other is where sonic's feet are. Whenever you leave the ground, the game has to transition from sonic's feet to absolute down, but it's possible to delay, interrupt, or even completely prevent this transition. The bounceball is merely the most versatile technique for that purpose, as it can be timed for any of those purposes. Rail transfers are actually the most likely to prevent the transition entirely. Homing attacks can rarely do more than delay. I don't know whether cancelling a HA with B or X changes that.
Posted: 8/27/2012 8:02 PM
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I understand completely how it works, by "break" I meant making it do whatever you want it to do. The only thing I haven't seen/done yet since I developed this technique is making Sonic fall upwards. And as you said, the homing attack itself don't have this much power to really control gravity, unless you use some other force to aid you, like the one that pulls you towards the inner side of the loops, with it's help a homing attack can do cool things, but without anything like that, I doubt it can get any result close to what the bounce does at that part of the stage.
Posted: 9/4/2012 3:22 AM
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So, Andy and I [finally] finished up City Escape and did Big Foot. After checking Wild Canyon emerald positions...we were surprised (and overjoyed :P) to find that on the first frame possible, there is a rather good emerald setup. That's the update so far, but I also have a question for everyone here: Would you guys prefer a just Hero run for now since it would take about half the time to make? After that, we could go back and have something to compare to/beat and do Dark as well (I think a full any% would obsolete a just Hero run?). Hope to hear some thoughts! Onto Wild Canyon. =)
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Posted: 9/4/2012 5:07 AM
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Great news! I think it's better to do just Hero side for now, since we don't have anything completed at all to begin with, later on you can do just as you said, that's my vote.
Posted: 9/4/2012 2:30 PM
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Brian_pso wrote:
Great news! I think it's better to do just Hero side for now, since we don't have anything completed at all to begin with, later on you can do just as you said, that's my vote.
This.
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Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
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Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
Posted: 9/4/2012 8:58 PM
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Brian_pso wrote:
Great news! I think it's better to do just Hero side for now, since we don't have anything completed at all to begin with, later on you can do just as you said, that's my vote.
I agree.
Posted: 9/4/2012 10:11 PM
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Yeah, the best would be making an optimized (or at least a very good) TAS of Hero Side and them make a TAS with every stories completed.
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Posted: 9/5/2012 3:51 AM
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Alright, I guess Hero TAS it is! btw, I got 11 seconds exactly with a moderately optimal test run of Wild Canyon using the layout we got entering the level first frame, we got amazingly lucky with this placement.
Completed: 2010-Current | Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - Individual Level TASes 2014 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Any% in 1:05:03.23 2014 | Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - Hero Story (w/ THC98) in 25:11.87 2016 | Metroid Prime - Any% in 00:37 (In-Game Time) 2018 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Cheat% in 1:42.350 2020 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Any% in 0:39:20.10 2022 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Cheat% in 1:25.567 Currently working on: SA2:B DARK STORY
Posted: 9/6/2012 12:59 AM
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Lowered it to 10:17, still trying for more. Edit: 10:10. Still think a couple more can come off with this method. Edit 2: 9:99 =)
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Posted: 9/6/2012 3:29 AM
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Edit 3: 9:80
Completed: 2010-Current | Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - Individual Level TASes 2014 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Any% in 1:05:03.23 2014 | Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - Hero Story (w/ THC98) in 25:11.87 2016 | Metroid Prime - Any% in 00:37 (In-Game Time) 2018 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Cheat% in 1:42.350 2020 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Any% in 0:39:20.10 2022 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Cheat% in 1:25.567 Currently working on: SA2:B DARK STORY
Posted: 9/7/2012 8:20 PM
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I forgot to mention it here, but I found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OASJ_37P6Sw
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Posted: 9/7/2012 8:38 PM
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I was able to do that in Aquatic Mine once, but never could find the trigger for making it happen again.
Posted: 9/13/2012 3:13 PM
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Posted: 9/13/2012 5:23 PM
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bihan wrote:
City Escape {M5} in 1'03"85
I can't view your link, can you please fix it? Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHAQ-u-8wCo thanks to anonycat.
Nitrogenesis wrote:
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
Posted: 9/25/2012 9:55 PM
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So it seems people post SA2B IL TASes in here so they get more views, alrighty then, I don't see why not: Pyramid Cave m2 16:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhnRfbcOO6k
Completed: 2010-Current | Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - Individual Level TASes 2014 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Any% in 1:05:03.23 2014 | Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - Hero Story (w/ THC98) in 25:11.87 2016 | Metroid Prime - Any% in 00:37 (In-Game Time) 2018 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Cheat% in 1:42.350 2020 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Any% in 0:39:20.10 2022 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Cheat% in 1:25.567 Currently working on: SA2:B DARK STORY
Posted: 10/6/2012 9:29 AM
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Regarding the Hero run, I just finished Prison Lane tonight. Depending on what itsPersonnal thinks when he's on in the morning, we'll either be improving PL or moving onto Metal Harbor. The final time at the moment is 1:27:97. For the record, the non-TAS record *with* upgrades is 1:31:04. Expect a full WIP after Green Forest. Edit: So after itsPersonnal pointed out a timesaver, we lowered the time to 1:27:65. Then I realized something retarded I did that wasted 61 frames much earlier in the level. Guess I shouldn't have tried to be entertaining while jumping onto the elevator. <_<
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Posted: 10/12/2012 10:10 PM
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Radical Highway Mission 2 in 30:84 :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aee45MyFgoI
Completed: 2010-Current | Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - Individual Level TASes 2014 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Any% in 1:05:03.23 2014 | Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - Hero Story (w/ THC98) in 25:11.87 2016 | Metroid Prime - Any% in 00:37 (In-Game Time) 2018 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Cheat% in 1:42.350 2020 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Any% in 0:39:20.10 2022 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Cheat% in 1:25.567 Currently working on: SA2:B DARK STORY
Posted: 10/20/2012 3:55 AM
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Metal Harbor Mission 1 in 56:07 ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiNdJT6JyAI
Completed: 2010-Current | Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - Individual Level TASes 2014 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Any% in 1:05:03.23 2014 | Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - Hero Story (w/ THC98) in 25:11.87 2016 | Metroid Prime - Any% in 00:37 (In-Game Time) 2018 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Cheat% in 1:42.350 2020 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Any% in 0:39:20.10 2022 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Cheat% in 1:25.567 Currently working on: SA2:B DARK STORY
Posted: 10/27/2012 6:10 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD-dPV2HNDg I haven't tested, but I don't see why this wouldn't work on every other wall-with-a-ledge-thing-sticking-out-of-it. So I see a lot of potential time saved. Also here's a Security Hall M3 TAS in 12.70 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF9V9wvMKYo It doesn't use the wall running, but itsPersonnal and I are redoing it now with the wall running. :P
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Posted: 10/31/2012 9:08 PM
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Also here's this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ciyf7AtI7o Crazy Gadget M1 in 0:50.82. No bounce, and I beat DennisBalow by 7 seconds.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 4:29 AM
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aaaaaaaaaaaaand here's this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7gw5sy1hFY I think this video pretty much sums up how far SA2B TASing has come recently.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 11:44 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAEbJK6OOIg Security Hall mission 3 in 0:12:15 ;)
Completed: 2010-Current | Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - Individual Level TASes 2014 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Any% in 1:05:03.23 2014 | Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - Hero Story (w/ THC98) in 25:11.87 2016 | Metroid Prime - Any% in 00:37 (In-Game Time) 2018 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Cheat% in 1:42.350 2020 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Any% in 0:39:20.10 2022 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Cheat% in 1:25.567 Currently working on: SA2:B DARK STORY
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