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Posted: 12/22/2011 9:44 PM
Post subject: Phantasy Star IV - 100% run
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Janus is making some noise in the submission thread for his latest PSIV run about a 100% run, so I figured a topic would be a good idea. Here are my suggestions for the criteria a 100% run should satisfy:
  • Use the Talk/Mumbl command every time the dialog it provides changes.
  • Show all references to past games.
  • Show all dialog from NPCs.
  • Get all unique items.
  • Do all sidequests.
  • Get all of Demi and Wren's extra parts.
Anyone else have anything to add? I'd personally say that a 100% run should show off all of the combination attacks, but I think that'd take too long because of the extra leveling to get high-level techs and skills.
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Posted: 12/22/2011 9:47 PM
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I think there's a lot of stuff in your suggestions that need to be cut out. Generally, 100% definitions include tangible things, like all items, rather than dialogue changes and so on. So, going from that list, the unique items, sidequests and extra parts would be included, but everything else would not.
Posted: 12/22/2011 10:43 PM
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I'd say only the last three are needed. In a TAS the dialogue would probably go by so fast as to not be worth showing.
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Posted: 12/23/2011 12:41 PM
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"References to past games" was janus's idea; I just put it down here and took it the extra mile and said "all dialog" too. As for the text going too fast, you can always slow the TAS down. (Or at least you can use frame advance, as Gens doesn't actually have a throttle function, just frameskip.)
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Posted: 12/23/2011 3:35 PM
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I would agree that all dialogues/mumbles would be too much (except maybe that stuck dezolisians in jut). However, the reference to the past would be interesting as for the combination attacks : since it would probably go on with a dopped-up chaz (with the shadowblade), some of them would be missing.
Posted: 12/23/2011 3:39 PM
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Would 100% infer leveling all characters up enough to get all their skills and techniques?
Posted: 12/23/2011 4:01 PM
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if that's the case, then I can only think of the sandworm near the ladea tower...
Posted: 12/24/2011 12:46 AM
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a few more thoughts - I would probably not seek a run with all spells. This would imply switching characters before going in the edge to show combination spells (with Hahn and Raja, mainly). However, since I will do the Silver Soldier, I might get circuit breaker - I would still use the Shadowblade. By fighting the sidequests bosses, Rune and Rika would ahve higher levels. - There's one sidequest I might have difficulty doing : the one where I must save the girls from Aiedo (80k meseta)
Posted: 12/24/2011 2:44 AM
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You can just do that quest after you do Silver Soldier and you'll have the meseta you need from doing that. EDIT: For showing off combination attacks, I would say to show off what you can as they come available in the course of the run.
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Posted: 12/24/2011 2:47 PM
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http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1924351106/Phantasy%20Star%20IV%20%284%29%20%5B%21%5D.gmv here's what the run looks like after piata. I've put all references to "the past" there were. On my way out, I will stop in Miles; should I show the scene with Saya? After Alys gets sick, I can still show the books in her library (run hedgehog, run). also, I think I will rush the jobs at the guild once I get back on Motavia (after DF 2)
Posted: 12/24/2011 7:34 PM
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While the scene with Saya would be nice, I don't think it's really necessary; she's an extremely minor character. EDIT: You might consider at least doing The Ranch Owner before you leave Motavia the first time, to get some power-leveling for Rika and Rune.
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Posted: 12/26/2011 5:26 AM
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http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1963251017/Phantasy%20Star%20IV%20%284%29%20%5B%21%5D.gmv just killed Juza. switching Rika in the wreckage was a 100 frames save. as for killing the sandworm... I suppose I would have to test the difference
Posted: 12/29/2011 7:16 PM
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http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/936821746/Phantasy%20Star%20IV%20%284%29%20%5B%21%5D.gmv finished gy-laguiah, after, FINALLY, getting enough escapipes/telepipes. I got the frademantle, noah's best armour in PS1, and talked around in Termi where people talked about Alis and Noah
Posted: 12/29/2011 8:15 PM
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http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/936821746/Phantasy%20Star%20IV%20%284%29%20%5B%21%5D.gmv finished gy-laguiah, after, FINALLY, getting enough escapipes/telepipes. I got the frademantle, noah's best armour in PS1, and talked around in Termi where people talked about Alis and Noah
Posted: 12/31/2011 1:06 AM
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http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1531674289/Phantasy%20Star%20IV%20%284%29%20%5B%21%5D.gmv ready to storm the air castle. I might test (later) equipping Rika with the silver tusk before storming the dezolis climate building. otherwise, I think it's optimized
Posted: 1/2/2012 12:33 AM
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http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1811190668/Phantasy%20Star%20IV%20%284%29%20%5B%21%5D.gmv damn. the silver tusk is so effective against evil that I saved 2k frames against DF 2 (I probably saved agains Lashied as well). It means I have a superfluous macro. Let's see what I can do for the guild jobs now...
Posted: 1/2/2012 9:18 PM
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here's an update After completing all tasks but the silver soldier and man with a twist, I noticed Rune would still be shy of getting tandle (in order to do circuit breaker). In order to do so, Wren must die more often. Since he gets over 35k experience from the sidequests (and that's before King Rappy), he will most certainly be able to get to 244 hp, the minimum he needs to withstand megid. He only need 48k experience to get to that level (from the moment I get him). So I have to go back to DF 1. Also, I don't think I will be able to do Destruct. I don't think Rune will be able to reach level 35 and get legeon.
Posted: 1/3/2012 4:02 AM
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http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/549129844/Phantasy%20Star%20IV%20%284%29%20%5B%21%5D.gmv getting Wren killed was only 140 more frames. rune already has rever
Posted: 1/4/2012 8:30 PM
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http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/907838428/Phantasy%20Star%20IV%20%284%29%20%5B%21%5D.gmv I saved about 2k frames during battles with the silver tusk.
Posted: 1/5/2012 9:29 PM
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http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1467746501/Phantasy%20Star%20IV%20%284%29%20%5B%21%5D.gmv now after DF 3. I saved 2,3k frames in this battle. I think I will try to get Chaz to level up. Since rune will get 1 efess, might as well do grand cross
Posted: 1/8/2012 3:20 PM
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Wow, you're just hammering it out. It looks great.
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Posted: 1/10/2012 6:28 PM
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would it be publishable? I will soon publish a complete WIP, but will try something different afterwards (buy one more telepipe and escapipe so chaz can gain 17 levels against the boss in the courage tower)
Posted: 1/11/2012 4:19 PM
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Whether or not it's publishable depends on whether or not it offers a sufficiently different experience from the any% run (in which case it could be published separately) or if not, whether people prefer it to that run (in which case it might obsolete the any% run.)
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Posted: 1/11/2012 11:07 PM
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I was thinking of a "blast from the past" run. - do all sidequests - play around - entertainment trade offs (showing references to the past)
Posted: 1/15/2012 1:02 AM
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http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1505774187/Phantasy%20Star%20IV%20%284%29%20%5B%21%5D.gmv just before the edge. I was able to get megid, but I needed guard mail Should I fight Propallus (DF from PS1)? It's hard, but it's quite a bit of experience. And with my stats, I should be able to take it down in 3 rounds
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