It's not really a failure of computers. As far as I understand, the configurations are too complex and numerous to realistically bruteforce, and automatic methods aren't reliable enough (kind of like trying to automate long sequences in a TAS). Then again, for scientists this would be a very arduous task without a guaranteed outcome, while gamers do the same kind of thing enthusiastically, for free, and en masse. :)
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I don't think this is a failure on anybody's part. This just purely shows the power of distributed computing, via Folding@Home and other similar services.
I don't think this is a failure on anybody's part. This just purely shows the power of distributed computing, via Folding@Home and other similar services.
Not exactly. Most distributed computing doesn't require any user input beyond signing your computer up as a node in the network. This is more demonstrating the power of teamwork. If your problem makes for an interesting puzzle (or you can make it into one), then there are large numbers of people out there who might be interested in taking a crack at it; give them access, and help them work together, and they can get a lot done.
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Very interesting article. I think the gamers were quick to solve the problem because gamers are open-minded toward solving problems and try every possibility possible before claiming the game to be impossible. Games such as LoZ have sometimes very complex and hard puzzles that can be very difficult to solve.
From trying to play this game now (and I already hate myself a lot for it), I feel like it's actually laziness to develop proper algorithms that has prevented computers from outperforming humans at these tasks. Of course I'm only at the beginner level and others have been playing it for over a year, so what do I know?
It's a very complex problem that requires extensive spatial reasoning, which is an area where AI / expert systems have yet to come close to catching up with human abilities. There are computer programs that try to solve these kinds of problems (c.f. Folding@Home) but from what I understand they're mostly "try each possible configuration until a working one is found", which, given the complex nature of the molecules in question, takes a very long time.
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DrSaturn wrote:
Very interesting article. I think the gamers were quick to solve the problem because gamers are open-minded toward solving problems and try every possibility possible before claiming the game to be impossible. Games such as LoZ have sometimes very complex and hard puzzles that can be very difficult to solve.
This is why I love TASing - it suggests puzzles invented by NO ONE, they aren't farfetched and demand a really creative approach.
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what kind of lard ass plays that game anyway?
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Yeah, needs more Kinect, imo. Not immersive enough as it is.
Exactly. How can we solve spatial problems with a 2d mouse?
But really, it's pretty much a stupid task that nobody wants to do, presented under the guise of a toy in order to captivate the shallow minds.
I herp my derp back and forth.
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Exactly my thoughts. The lack of 3d controls makes it completely ridiculous and you'd have to be nothing short of a total idiot to keep "playing" this.
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