Posted: 7/1/2011 6:26 PM
Post subject: Movies that require input after playback ends
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Dacicus
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There are several older movies that do not adhere to the movie must be complete rule as stated on this page in that they require more input after playback ends in order to reach the final screen. Examples include these two Batman runs and the first Shadowgate run. The former two require Batman to move over to where the Joker has fallen, while the latter requires scrolling through several screens of ending text. What is or should be the policy for dumping such movies: Provide the extra input or end as is? I added the necessary input when encoding the two Batman movies for the unmirrored movies project. The current SD encode for that Shadowgate run ends the dump after the last viewable text is reached with only the input provided in the movie file. I'm planning to make an HD encode for Shadowgate, so I'd like clarification. This is similar to my earlier thread, but I made another one because I think the difference between viewing the ending and viewing the high scores is significant enough to merit its own thread.
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Posted: 7/1/2011 11:12 PM
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sgrunt
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In my view, the main purpose in having newer encodes for these older movies is to serve as a basis for comparison for more recent encodes for those movies. Thus, in those cases only, I can see the extra input being warranted.
Posted: 7/1/2011 11:19 PM
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Toothache
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I remember a discussion coming up about this when I encoded DKC3 100%. In that case, if no input was made after the ending segment where K. Rool was being chased by the Mother Bananabird, there is a whole 7 minute wait before the game naturally advances to the results screen. I took an executive decision of skipping that wait after a few seconds, in the interests of not making the ending longer than it needs to be. I think differences like these should be taken on a case-by-case basis, but at least mentioned somewhere so there is no confusion for viewers.
Posted: 7/2/2011 3:14 PM
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Dacicus
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How's this for an explanatory note for Shadowgate? This movie ends input immediately after defeating the behemoth, whereas current Shadowgate TASes proceed to the last screen of text. Therefore, the time would be slightly longer by current standards.
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Posted: 7/2/2011 4:20 PM
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DarkKobold
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How hard would it be to add the input and then change the file? If we want a true comparison, then a matching TAS time should be listed on the site? Just a thought...
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