Good list of articles at the end of this:
http://kotaku.com/#!5796027/sony-didnt-know-severity-of-ps3-breach-until-monday
I've been following the drama around Sony Computer Entertainment of America ever since they sued George Holtz for his possibly legal hack. Sony appears to be digging themselves into a trench deeper and deeper. Now, I don't consider myself a fanboy of any console, however, ever since the rootkit debacle, I've enjoyed watching Sony failing. (I mean, seriously? Hacking paying customers' computers to protect your own intellectual property is astoundingly stupid.)
Also, it appears that people's debt cards on the PSN are already being used fraudulently.
Anyway, thoughts?
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Anyway, thoughts?
I'll just stick with my NES, where there is no chance of anyone getting my money, thanks.
Aside from unhelpful snark, I really have nothing to say about this.
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I watched Airplane! last night... What are the odds that you would use my favorite scene from that movie today in this topic?
Enough with the offtopic now...
This is why I would never connect a gaming console to the internet, maybe they should equip the next generation of consoles with security suites...
There's nothing dangerous in connecting your console to the internet. When it starts becoming dubious is when you enter your credit card number there. (Of course this is true for any internet shop, not just the console ones.)
OTOH, even if your credit card number gets stolen and your credit card bill goes through the roof, you usually don't have to pay anything because credit card companies are nice enough to take that into account and count it as their loss, not yours. Well, at least here. (Ok, I think it''s probably by law, rather than them just being nice.)
I don't know how it is with the PlayStation network, but on the xbox one you can alternatively just buy prepaid points. The maximum damage you could get is to lose all your points (which ought to be a rather minimal loss if you buy the points when you need them rather than hoarding them and never using them).
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I guess what I have to do now is change my psn password, since brazilian credit cards were never allowed to be used on psn anyway. I hope Sony dies and rots in a moldy cave!
Everybody's talking as if simply owning a PS3 and connecting it to the internet will cause your bank account to be emptied and your life ruined. It's not like you must enter your credit card number in order to use a PS3. (Heck, most people who use the thing don't even have a credit card.)
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Everybody's talking as if simply owning a PS3 and connecting it to the internet will cause your bank account to be emptied and your life ruined. It's not like you must enter your credit card number in order to use a PS3. (Heck, most people who use the thing don't even have a credit card.)
I'm aware of that... I didn't even connect it to PSN anyway. :p
Now, I don't consider myself a fanboy of any console, however, ever since the rootkit debacle, I've enjoyed watching Sony failing.
Heh, likewise. Forced closure of Lik Sang was the last drop. Generally the stuff they release seems to be up to date in regards to technology used, but gets progressively worse in other respects: price, durability, compatibility, usability, etc..
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Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.
Now, I don't consider myself a fanboy of any console, however, ever since the rootkit debacle, I've enjoyed watching Sony failing.
Heh, likewise.
I have no idea how the different parts of the company are organized, but Sony is a rather huge company, with lots of separate branches and subsidiaries. The people who were responsible for the rootkit scandal might have absolutely nothing to do with the people who are responsible for the development and maintenance of the PS3. Just because both branches are owned by the same company in name, doesn't mean that any of the same people are responsible for them both. It thus would be a bit unfair to rejoice about the struggles of the PS3 people because some douchebags in a completely different independent part of the company decided that secretly installing rootkits in people's computers is ok.
So is it unfair to hold the government as a whole responsible when some particular branch of it abuses its power, then? How are you, as a person outside of the company, supposed to punish a specific subset of Generic Large Organization?
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I agree with Derakon. Also watch geohot's youtube channel: everyone leaves a comment about the PSN situation, just because he hacked the PS3 many months ago. Human stupidity is endless.
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So is it unfair to hold the government as a whole responsible when some particular branch of it abuses its power, then?
It's more like dissing the workers in a government-funded construction site and being gleeful if the building has flaws because some workers in a different government-owned subsidiary company which regulates the taxing of imports were involved in a scandal. Just because both branches work for and are paid by the same government doesn't mean that all of them are equally guilty of the scandal and thus deserve the shunning equally.
So yes, it would be unfair to hold the government as a whole responsible for something that one single branch of it did.
How are you, as a person outside of the company, supposed to punish a specific subset of Generic Large Organization?
By boycotting products of that specific subset of said organization. (In this particular case it would be Sony BMG.)
Now, I don't consider myself a fanboy of any console, however, ever since the rootkit debacle, I've enjoyed watching Sony failing.
Heh, likewise.
I have no idea how the different parts of the company are organized, but Sony is a rather huge company, with lots of separate branches and subsidiaries. The people who were responsible for the rootkit scandal might have absolutely nothing to do with the people who are responsible for the development and maintenance of the PS3. Just because both branches are owned by the same company in name, doesn't mean that any of the same people are responsible for them both. It thus would be a bit unfair to rejoice about the struggles of the PS3 people because some douchebags in a completely different independent part of the company decided that secretly installing rootkits in people's computers is ok.
The rootkit is the most evil of Sony's doings, but far not the only one. Lets look at the list - the Rootkit, the shut-down of lik-sang, the removal of 'otherOS', the suing of GeoHot for non-piracy enabling homebrew, their PR work against enviromental activists (http://motherjones.com/environment/2000/09/sonys-pr-war-activists), the fake film Critic David Manning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Manning_%28fictitious_writer%29), their pathetic attempts at viral marketing for the PSP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSP#Controversial_advertising_campaigns), their embarassingly bad and arrogant E3 Conference in 2006, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH2w2l1JTs4). Yeah. Lots of reasons to hate Sony.
Additionally, as George Holtz points out, it is arrogance on the part of SCEA/ SCEI that lead to this hack.
Also, it is about Corporate Culture. While I'm sure Sally in Accounting with her three kids is a really sweet church-going lady, I don't see how that should change my distaste for a company that has time and again shown its evil face. (In all seriousness, I am sure there are many nice engineers/programmers/security people at Sony. That doesn't mean I have to like the company.)
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I mostly hate Sony for not making those spectacular FW900 monitors anymore. I'm sure lots of designers and photographers would love to pay premium for a tiny production line.
Actually, that's not true, I hate Sony for a whole range of different reasons, and I didn't even know about some of the things DarkKobold just mentioned. They're hardly special in that regard, though. It's understandable. Companies are required to make profit; being absolutely terrible in every way is usually a great way to achieve that.
Additionally, as George Holtz points out, it is arrogance on the part of SCEA/ SCEI that lead to this hack.
I'm not saying that the reasons behind the PSN being hacked and people's credit card info being stolen wasn't utter incompetence and stupidity. (It reminds me of that computer security firm whose servers were hacked and defaced by Anonymous because the firm itself didn't follow the simple security measures that they were consulting other firms about.) I was just objecting to the general attitude presented in this thread which connected the rootkit fiasco with this PSN one. (And mind you, I don't own a PS3 nor have ever played one. It's not like I'm defending my pet console here.)
because Sony is a bullshit of damn errors.
