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I used star bits at first because someone else in this thread used them. Mid-post I corrected myself to Star Pieces but never fixed my earlier mistake, excuse me!
Star points are what you get after the end of each battle. Star peices and points are two different things.
I hate the star-points system (experience points in most games) because eventually you can't get any experience at all from some enemies (most RPGs provide a consistent amount of experience per enemy and increase the experience required to attain each successive level, while in Paper Mario 100 experience points are needed per level, and the amount of experience per enemy decreases with each successive level, much like in the Shining Force series except that in Paper Mario the experience per enemy can go all the way down to 0).
Star points are what you get after the end of each battle. Star peices and points are two different things.
I hate the star-points system (experience points in most games) because eventually you can't get any experience at all from some enemies (most RPGs provide a consistent amount of experience per enemy and increase the experience required to attain each successive level, while in Paper Mario 100 experience points are needed per level, and the amount of experience per enemy decreases with each successive level, much like in the Shining Force series except that in Paper Mario the experience per enemy can go all the way down to 0).
What's wrong with having an experience point system that's different from all the others?
Why, oh, why do I even <i>try</i> to understand my own species?
What's wrong with having an experience point system that's different from all the others?
nothing
what's wrong is making certain enemies not give up any experience at all after a certain level
it makes it really hard to max out levels in that game, I would end up chasing after Amazy Dayzees all day because it's one of the few characters you can keep fighting that gives experience all the way to Level 27
oh and another thing that sucks about that game (and SMRPG) is the low level cap
So basically, you're complaining that monsters that pose no threat whatsoever to your characters don't give any experience, and that the game doesn't let you achieve as ridiculous of a level as you'd like to?
If you want a number-porn RPG, play Disgaea. It'll let you level all the way up to 9999.
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So basically, you're complaining that monsters that pose no threat whatsoever to your characters don't give any experience, and that the game doesn't let you achieve as ridiculous of a level as you'd like to?
If you want a number-porn RPG, play Disgaea. It'll let you level all the way up to 9999.
That's the wording I was looking for.
Seriously, though, back to the point of this forum, does Power Bounce have any limit whatsoever?
Why, oh, why do I even <i>try</i> to understand my own species?
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N. Harmonik wrote:
Seriously, though, back to the point of this forum, does Power Bounce have any limit whatsoever?
I don't think it does, and even if it did it's not like going beyond it is necessary; It's very easy to slaughter even Bowser's massive HP pool in only a few bounces with the right badges.
The power bounce seems to have a limit on a per-enemy basis, and after so many hits it automatically stops. To test this, try equipping Double or Nothing and observe that you can have a power bounce end without a miss. For Bowser I think this is 6 hits; for a Goomba, 101. Presumably the other enemies are on a sliding scale between those.
So basically, you're complaining that monsters that pose no threat whatsoever to your characters don't give any experience, and that the game doesn't let you achieve as ridiculous of a level as you'd like to?
If you want a number-porn RPG, play Disgaea. It'll let you level all the way up to 9999.
The power bounce seems to have a limit on a per-enemy basis, and after so many hits it automatically stops. To test this, try equipping Double or Nothing and observe that you can have a power bounce end without a miss. For Bowser I think this is 6 hits; for a Goomba, 101. Presumably the other enemies are on a sliding scale between those.
In the Thousand Year Door the limit for any enemy was 9999. There as a debug badge that performed all moves flawlessly when equipped... I accidentally used that damn move one time with the badge on. Went upstairs, made some food, went to the bathroom and came back down and he was still jumping... then I got 100+ pages in a book I was reading at the time and was stunned when he finally stopped. Had to finish the fight and proceed in the game far enough to look at the records billboard. 9999 jumps... and I have no idea how much damage that poor enemy would have actually taken.
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Well, it's a pretty safe bet that the damage would be somewhere between 9999 and 14850, depending on what the badges and previous stat alterations (like charge) did to the first hit. It takes considerable setup just to get above 10,100, which seems unlikely if you used a power bounce "by accident".
I think it worked with one video plugin... I think it might have been Rice in OpenGL mode. Rice in DirectX mode crashed (or maybe it was the other way around?) after Peach's castle rose into the sky near the beginning of the game. Not sure about Glide. Jabo is nearly unplayable due to objects (in the background?) flickering a lot, though the (slow) copy framebuffer option might have helped... not sure about that [it definitely fixed the background of the menu].
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A bit over a year ago, an updated run of Paper Mario was posted at speeddemosarchive. It beats the game in 3 hours, 38 minutes (SDA timing).
The strategy used there is pretty much optimal. Barring any discoveries of helpful glitches or frame-precise tricks, I would be surprised if an optimal TAS was better by much more than 5 minutes.
Is there going to be an any% TAS then? Or does this mean there's no point in making one?
Personally, I would love to see a Paper Mario TAS, be it any% or 100%. Good luck to anyone who wants to make one.
