This topic is for the purpose of discussing #2602: Scepheo's DS Myst in 01:07.16

Sorry about the submission text, it's my first one, preview didn't work and I'm getting the referrer stuff when I try to edit it (vanilla Firefox, though). Ah well.

I couldn't really tell what was going on most of the time, and the game was certainly completed quickly. The thing is, I didn't really find this all that interesting to watch; this may be due to my unfamiliarity with the game, but it doesn't look that challenging to pull off what you have done here. This will get a Meh vote from me, and I'm going to encode it as well. EDIT: By the way, looking in the thread for this game, I see the run was posted on YouTube by the author. It also bothers me that this game doesn't really have a proper ending sequence; it feels like it just sort of stops and leaves you hanging. EDIT2: http://www.archive.org/download/DsMystDsIn0107.16ByScepheo/mystds-tas-scepheo.mp4 This has a very small bit rate, so I suggest you stream that version ( http://www.zexsoft.com/aktan/?DsMystDsIn0107.16ByScepheo/mystds-tas-scepheo ) rather than depending on archive.org's 512kb variant.

Voted yes. I liked the way code was entered in fireplace. Gameplay part looked like if it was not bunch of prerendered scenes, but actual 3d, just on low fps. Not sure if shortest way possible was taken to set all switches as needed, but I am not checking that.

Very 'Meh' by no fault of the author.

Is there more to it than clicking at the right spot on the first frame possible? It reminds me of what Bisqwit wrote on one of my first Lolo submissions:

the game seems very obvious and I can't see how one could fail to create the fastest possible movie

. For Lolo, it was/turned out to be very hard to create the fastest possible movie, but (maybe due to my lack of knowledge of this game) it seems to me that in this game what Bisqwit wrote might actually hold... am I wrong?

Voted meh for game choice. With a dead horse of a path and an obvious point A to point B goal, there is nothing much of interest here.

Oh wow, I wasn't expecting a TAS of this infamous game. It's definitely faster than the SDA run, but then again, it really doesn't seem like a difficult game to TAS at all. I'm reminded of the runthrough of Dungeon Magic: Sword of the Elements, given how fast you blaze through all the screens, except that the Dungeon Magic run has tons more luck manipulation. I'm voting a weak Yes.

I'm voting Meh for game choice. I have no idea what I just watched but I didn't find it terribly interesting... What the hell kind of ending was that? Feel free to explore the library? What about something like, "Congratulations Alis Landale, you're actually a princess!" I'd much rather be a princess than a librarian.

I don't really have an opinion about the TAS, but I am a bit sad that so many people don't seem to know much about Myst. It's making me feel old, and that really shouldn't be happening to me for several decades yet! Not voting.

How about fastest time with a subgoal being you obtain the hints to the solution of the fireplace puzzle?

Ehh, I've a feeling that blazing through all of the puzzles at lightspeed would be much more dull than blazing through just one puzzle at lightspeed.

I watched it twice without getting bored at all. It looks funny, because the guy moves so fast. I think it's worth publishing, for variety.

Hah, that's a great way to watch Myst beaten. Yes vote from me. Wouldn't mind seeing someone actually go through the game getting all the other pages that give you the hints though. Would be much more interesting.

Is there more to it than clicking at the right spot on the first frame possible?

Not really, because the actual goals of the game lie almost completely outside the famed puzzles present in it. That being said, it's not entirely impossible for this submission to be improved somehow. And it's a famous game done in a minute. I guess I don't have a solid reason not to vote yes.

Because everyone is voting yes, I may as well make my first HD NDS TAS encode. The authors suggested screenshot:

I have no idea what just happened in this TAS, but it was somehow fascinating. This game reminds me of the good old game Atlantis, which I played back in the early 90:s. Weak yes from me.

The one audible laugh I got from it was more than a vast majority TASes. Yes Vote.

Meh vote. Not knowing Myst all to well this seemed to have the complexity of Duck Hunt.

The one audible laugh I got from it was more than a vast majority TASes. Yes Vote.

This. Thanks for taking my suggestion about doing something with the fireplace, you exceeded my expectations :) On the subject of how hard it is to make, that really shouldn't matter folks. This is not some pissing contest to see who can do 400k rerecords. This is a pissing contest to see who can make an entertaining movie. Voted yes twice.

This reminds me of Randil's NES storybook submissions. I enjoy Deja Vu runs because I am familiar with the game, but I don't enjoy Uninvited and Shadowgate because I am not familiar with them. Storybook/Point-and-Click adventures are difficult to enjoy to the casual viewer, in my opinion, because 1) whatever gameplay exists is usually very choppy, linear and slow 2) they are usually quite drawn out for what they are worth (the examples I listed above are around the 8-9 minute mark, even some platformers/action games have been meh/no voted at this length) 3) many of them are quite obscure to begin with, meaning that the audience that they would appeal to is very small and probably doesn't warrant off-setting site standards for the publication. On the other hand this submission seems quite unique. 1) The graphics are pretty nice and the transitions between different parts of the game are quite fast and fluid. 2) it is incredibly short, without any time to become properly bored in the true sense of the word, which is desired in a game of this type. 3) Myst is a very popular game and so a wide viewing public could appreciate this submission. So, yes, I do think that this should be published. I don't think level of difficulty to TAS should be a deciding factor in whether or not it should be published. That goes for games that are trivial to TAS as well as those that are incredibly difficult. Of course, where a considerable amount of effort has been put into making a run it should slightly tip the scales in the author's favor, but the weight attributed to it should be given with caution. P.S. sgrunt's DS encode logo is cool.

P.S. sgrunt's DS encode logo is cool.

Why, thank you.

I don't think level of difficulty to TAS should be a deciding factor in whether or not it should be published. That goes for games that are trivial to TAS as well as those that are incredibly difficult. Of course, where a considerable amount of effort has been put into making a run it should slightly tip the scales in the author's favor, but the weight attributed to it should be given with caution.

I want to add on a bit to this: Difficulty with TASing should not be a factor in judging/voting/etc, but difficulty compared to an unassisted run should be. Several games have slow enough movement and little/no luck manipulation, which would make an optimized TAS and an unassisted run nearly identical. That isn't superhuman, and doesn't belong on the site. Runs like this, however, are likely to be left up to the entertainment value. Anyway, carry on.

I agree with Aqfaq, that it should be published for sake of variety. It's only a minute long and I think enough happens in that minute to keep most people reasonably entertained. Yes vote. I also vote yes on "sgrunt's DS encode logo is cool".