This topic is for the purpose of discussing #2396: wwmarx's SMS Sonic the Hedgehog in 18:17.17

Alright, let's see... Green Hill 2: At the end, when you flew off the ramp, you went very high and had to pull back to ensure you landed on the signpost. I suspect that if you tapped left and then down again just before going off the ramp, you'd curtail the height enough that you could just hold right all the way to the finish for minimal loss in speed. Bridge 1/2: No thought whatsoever given to lag reduction. Yes, it's an absolute nightmare (and the reason I decided not to TAS this game), but if you're going for real time (and you are, because you're stopping in front of each signpost to stop it flying upwards), you must make every effort to reduce lag. This can be done by a) avoiding the bridges if at all possible, b) killing enemies and destroying boxes as soon as they appear on the screen (more relevant to act 2) and c) losing your shield somewhere in Bridge 2. It won't cost you any time and the lag from it is costly in later levels. Additionally, on Bridge 1 if you roll just before the weight hits the other side of the seesaw, you'll get the same effect as rolling off a ledge. If you also bounce off the checkpoint up there you'll keep gaining speed on the bounce as well. Jungle 1: This level had a couple of really good moves I hadn't thought of myself, like rolling onto the shield. The finish looked a bit odd as well. Jungle 2 / Scrap Brain 2: On both these levels (where you're ascending through platforms) I suspect that you moved laterally more often than was necessary. Since the foremost objective is just to reach the top, you shouldn't be moving side to side unless that's where the platforms are. Labyrinth 1/2: Some areas when you're turning around in the water you spend a long time turning, when you probably could've done it a lot quicker just by using a larger jump. Also, when you're rolling, pushing the direction you're moving in slows you down faster than pressing the opposite direction... I know, it's ridiculously counterintuitive. Scrap Brain 2: It's about 15 seconds faster to take a death after flipping the switch to change the doors around - that teleporter is actually a checkpoint. I can respect the decision to go deathless, though - it certainly looks better. Sky Base 2: It's possible to complete this level in eight seconds: after the platform with the third cannon on it, turn around and jump off to the right. You'll appear to roll across the top of the building at the end, and then you just fall off and walk in. Even given some of this information wasn't available to you (as my speedrun isn't yet on SDA and Sprint's individual level videos have disappeared from the internet), and parts of it are really very good, I must vote no and urge you to run it again with this new information. Good luck should you choose to do so :)

The run itself was good, although I would have enjoyed the SMS version a lot more personally. I also found your stylistic choices during the autoscroll level and waiting periods rather meh as that constant spinning noise distracted from that beautiful 8bit music :( In the end, it's still a weak yes vote.

I adamantly vote no. As per the other sonic runs (and sonic speedrunning in general), I personally view avoiding score-counting by slowing down to be annoying at best, and blasphemy at worst. it makes comparing times horrible. Also, please post a level-time list for comparison when there's an in-game timer.

Right, I stopped the movie at the end of 1-1 and got 19 seconds myself to see what would happen, because I thought the submission text meant there was a glitch that would cause the score to literally tally forever. But no, it just gives you 300000 instead of 200000. It does last a really long time, though, so long that it's funny in a way. They couldn't find a way to count more than 100 points per frame and stop wasting the player's time? Really?

Whoah, surprise! Can't watch now but will be interested to see. I'm not entirely sure, but I believe I improved 1-2 over whatever I posted here... anyways, I'll post something less useless later I guess :)

Green Hill 2: the problem is that sonic hits the ground when it falls and the board goes up, even retreating. bridge - really have much lag. Good tips. Scrap brain: to die to save time is something I had not thought ...

No vote, mainly because I have philosophical disagreement on the point of stopping to avoid a score counter, but also because of mike89's list of improvements above. This run has potential, though!

om, nom, nom... blech, bitter!

I choose to cancel this submission to improve this run.

Here's a trick in labyrinth that is fun and saves time: http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1963552637/aldentrick.mmv It can be used one other time that I know of, maybe you can figure out how to use it more effectively. (Spoiler: vertical zipping!)

On stage 1-1 I invented the "stop to save time", as do the stage in less than 20 seconds generates a count endless score.

Wait a minute! All it does is give you 300000 points. Sure its a long tome but people would probably care less about the score rather than the speed.

Nice trick, Alden... I 'll Incorporate it into my run.

Can't you guys rather get together to make a run of the SMS version of it? Just saying

Can't you guys rather get together to make a run of the SMS version of it? Just saying

This man of intelligence and honour has put in the honest truth. Dignity of this game shall only be achieved when TASed in a Master System like manner.

May I interest you in some cheese? :)

Doesn't the Master System version make you wait a lot more on the first boss, though? Unless you know of some trick to jump higher...

Yes, along with a bunch of other things that are slower. I think it would be a good idea to do an all-emeralds run on the SMS version personally, but with my rate of output who am I to complain?

i'm always for 100% runs, i'm for the a all emerald run too !

The main problem of the SMS version is the jungle stage-2. The scroll does not follow the Sonic. It is very complicated. The GG version achieves greater speed.

Given the incredible amount of lag on the GG version, I somewhat doubt it can get any worse. Then again, I haven't played it on SMS for a long time.

It doesn't get worse, but it doesn't get better either. The lag is equally significant on both versions, as far as I can tell. Of significant note is that the Master System version has much more sensible time bonuses (I believe the largest is 30000, one order of magnitude less than the GG version). However, the GG version is significantly faster in levels: something like 20 seconds quicker on Green Hill 3, six seconds faster on Bridge 2, and much faster in Labyrinth 1 due to having a shorter level layout. And that glitch alden linked to in Labyrinth? GG only! I dunno, I'm happy to see a run on either version... the SMS version might be better for the viewer, I don't know.

Game Gear please