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how hard would it be to make an executable that in fact contains the rom, the emulator and the movie file, and when run will only display a window with the movie playing??? is it too hard? would certainly fix the problem of having large avis encoding and uploading. i think its hard but wouldnt it be worth the work? it could be done so that you only need to change the rom and movie file and then generate the exe... :P
Why not just make a movie thats small?
You really don't need to worry about quality in most 8-bit games, or you could even do it in FLASH for goodnes sakes.
Talking of movies, I was going to make a new thread about it, but i might as well save space here and say that no one is seeding, so its almost impossible to see the movies to some games out there, seeing :
I cant possibly own a game rom to view them.
No one ever seeds the movies, I have 15% of one, and no one has seeded for 2 days straight ever since I started it.
Also, I can't get Fceau running the movies, but thats probably my fault. :/
Its less converting the nes / snes /whatever movie and more taking the AVI from whatever and turning it into flash, and flash takes up less space than the Movie itself would, or I think it would.
Actually, it would be possible, but complex, to convert a .smv or other to a .swf using the ROM...
But it's certainly not an easy task. And would probably require more than a casual knowledge about programming in Flash, programming in C, and emulation in general.
And I'd rather not have a .swf personally. I like .avi.
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Actually, it would be possible, but complex, to convert a .smv or other to a .swf using the ROM...
But it's certainly not an easy task. And would probably require more than a casual knowledge about programming in Flash, programming in C, and emulation in general.
And I'd rather not have a .swf personally. I like .avi.
well wouldn't it be more reasonable to make this exe file work only if the correct rom is in the same folder? that way people will have to get their own rom files and still have the ease of an executable file.
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NecroVMX wrote:
well wouldn't it be more reasonable to make this exe file work only if the correct rom is in the same folder? that way people will have to get their own rom files and still have the ease of an executable file.
that would be almost the same as what we already have, the emulator movie format. i was trying to find an easy way to get rid of the avi (so people dont have to bother downloading roms and figuring out how to make the movie work)
Or we could just pretend that distributing the ROM is legal and hope we get away with it. That sounds about as good a plan as any I've heard in a while. And if we don't get away with it, then, um, we'd just be civilly disobedient, in protest of, uh, unfair copyright laws. Yeah.
OmnipotentEntity wrote:
Actually, it would be possible, but complex, to convert a .smv or other to a .swf using the ROM...
For that I think you'd need to program a whole new emulator that can somehow keep track of all the sprites and their movements to be able to convert the graphics for use in Flash.
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i dont think it would be a problem to distribute the movies in that format, i mean, there are rom sites, right, what happens to them? nothing, why? dunno, but the worse that could happen is nintendo get a law suit saying that the roms cant be distributed or seomthing right?
But why take the risk when we have a fully working system right now? I think this is the absolute best solution: the people who want to watch avis have that choice. The people who don't want to download the big avi files can just get the small file. With quite minimal effort I might add. Getting the required files isn't really that big a deal.
i dont think it would be a problem to distribute the movies in that format, i mean, there are rom sites, right, what happens to them? nothing, why?
Because the copyright holders don't care. But even if the holders don't care, it doesn't make distributing said material legal. You could get sued with copyright infringement, but most likely the company that hosts this page gets a mail from a legal firm asking to the page be shut down.
Anyway, I don't see the point. The current system works just fine and the files aren't THAT big. Or if you don't want the AVI-files you can still get the emulator movies. Getting them to work isn't a very big feat.
And the seeding problem; Some files have already been uploaded to archive.org and you can get them there. For other files, dunno, bother people on IRC or just wait.
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Actually, it would be possible, but complex, to convert a .smv or other to a .swf using the ROM...
For that I think you'd need to program a whole new emulator that can somehow keep track of all the sprites and their movements to be able to convert the graphics for use in Flash.
Not to mention deduce and convert their movements to Flash byte code. Split the sound track up every so often and anchor it to the movie. And make sure the number of objects off screen doesn't get too big and bog down the processor.
Then, you have to figure out how to write in Flash byte code, the copy info ("This is a tool assisted speedrun etc etc"). And you have to figure out how to get the emulator overlays (Movie playback has ended) to work as well.
So you would need pretty much: A working emulator that runs exactly the same as the emulator in use (ie, just use the emulator in question's code if available), and either: a way to produce the syntax correct Flash code in an semi-intelligent manner, a way to rip single sprites and other graphics from the emulator, and a flash compiler; or, a way to produce Flash byte code directly from the emulation in a semi-intelligent manner, and rip the graphic and insert them into the file correctly.
Not a simple task at all.
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Anyway, I don't see the point. The current system works just fine and the files aren't THAT big. Or if you don't want the AVI-files you can still get the emulator movies. Getting them to work isn't a very big feat.
Yes it is! My friend was mad because he couldn't get SNES9x movies to stay synchronized, even though he used the right emulator and the right ROM and all the right settings. And he can't very well download the .avi on his computer because he's got a 28.8 connection and that's his only phone line.
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that's not even true, so few people use dialup these days, and having a 28.8 bit connection is ridiculous, if you must use dialup, at least go out and buy a 56k modem, seriously. "only a select group of people have broadband" is not true at all, maybe it was a few years ago but the vast majority of internet users are on at least an ADSL connection or up these days. I don't personally know any of my freinds that has dialup.
that's not even true, so few people use dialup these days, and having a 28.8 bit connection is ridiculous, if you must use dialup, at least go out and buy a 56k modem, seriously. "only a select group of people have broadband" is not true at all, maybe it was a few years ago but the vast majority of internet users are on at least an ADSL connection or up these days. I don't personally know any of my freinds that has dialup.
This may be true in the US (And even here, there are plenty of rural areas and the like where broadband isn't necessarily an option), but consider the situation worldwide, and I bet the percentage of people who have broadband drops considerably.
Just a thought.
and the current system works fine for the most part. The hardest part about it was actually finding the correct version of the emulators to play the .fmv/.fce/etc. files. :P
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