I didn't contradict myself. Math is a thing, people are born with knowldge of how it works.
I never said all things.
Its spiffy, you are so desperate that you are nitpicking on the smallest things. And using fallacies nontheless.
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Your sig says "Living well is the best Revenge"..yet you are burdening yourself by argueing me. You contradict yourself. [I can nitpick too]
[00:31:12] <stickie> by the way, thanks for the sig sixofour
[00:31:23] <sixofour> dejavu
[00:31:25] <sixofour> what sig?
[00:31:55] <stickie> you will just have to find out *insert mystical music*
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First of all, read this. We can clearly see that some guys here fit the description.
And also I see there are trolls in sheep's clothing here, and sixofour isn't in that group.
Now, what's intuition? Maybe "ability to sense or know immediately without reasoning", right? But that ability comes with experience. After you go through the same experience many times you start to do it automatically, without thinking on each step. It's like riding a bycicle: how would you teach someone that skill IN WORDS? For you it's just to sit there and ride it by yourself...
Intuition is just the same, but used in all situations by clever people. The stupid can't understand it, because it's something you can't really teach step by step.
As someone wrote: "You can't learn intuition... it's something too intuitive."
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
Close, Pirate, but I would say that intuition, is a tool you learn with exprience. Not a tool developed from exprience.
The point I am trying to make is:
There has to be a standard already in place for humans to use, that wasn't developed by humans. And this fact is known by intuition.
A system cannot produce another system more complex than itself.
A guy cannot produce something that requires one smarter than himself to understand.
A human cannot build a computer that is too complex for a human to understand.
There are many ways to say it. But its all the same thing.
[00:31:12] <stickie> by the way, thanks for the sig sixofour
[00:31:23] <sixofour> dejavu
[00:31:25] <sixofour> what sig?
[00:31:55] <stickie> you will just have to find out *insert mystical music*
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sixofour wrote:
intuition, is a tool you learn with exprience. Not a tool developed from exprience.
err... what's the difference? You don't really LEARN it. The human brain (and other creatures' too, I suppose) has that natural ability.
But my point is that the naysayers here really go over the top...
And
Power without victories.— The strongest knowledge (that of the total unfreedom of the human will) is nonetheless the poorest in successes: for it always has the strongest opponent, human vanity.
Dangerous books.— Somebody remarked: "I can tell by my own reaction to it that this book is harmful." But let him only wait and perhaps one day he will admit to himself that this same book has done him a great service by bringing out the hidden sickness of his heart and making it visible.— Altered opinions do not alter a man's character (or do so very little); but they do illuminate individual aspects of the constellation of his personality which with a different constellation of opinions had hitherto remained dark and unrecognizable.
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
Learn how to use*
Mistake in translating thoughts to text. ^^
[00:31:12] <stickie> by the way, thanks for the sig sixofour
[00:31:23] <sixofour> dejavu
[00:31:25] <sixofour> what sig?
[00:31:55] <stickie> you will just have to find out *insert mystical music*
I'm reminded of an old saying (greatly paraphrased):
"A rich man doesn't need to tell you he is rich. A beautiful woman doesn't need to inform you of her beauty. A smart man doesn't need to tell you he is intelligent. When we are in the presence of such people, we just know."
DarkKobold: Knowledgable person. For you, that means someone with a degree. How enlightening.
Since his grand master of 'better than everyone else' did not understand this quote, I feel the need to explain it to the master of all things logical.
(ACTUALLY... I don't actually expect the troll to care. Honestly, I simply love this quote, and the meaning behind it. Thus I enjoy babbling about it)
A person who is superior to you in some fashion, whether it be beauty, intelligence, wealth, physical prowess, or social standing, will not inform you to this fact. Why? They are emotionally secure about this aspect of their life. They know it to be true, and thus do not care what you think. They have nothing to prove to you.
What of the insecure person? He or she travels to the mountain top, screaming of his superiority, to anyone who will listen. This man may talk endlessly of the great wealth he has amassed. She may talk of her never ending beauty, and the string of suitors pounding at the door. He may talk big about being able to physically dominate another man in combat.
In the end, all these words show the true person. They desperately seek others approval. They do anything to attempt to demonstrate the superiority aspect for which they feel most insecure. While boastful in their manner of speech, the frequency and magnitude of their continued insistence in their superiority tells everyone the truth. They are scared and insecure.
I hope someone enjoys reading that half as much as I enjoyed writing it.
Sage advice from a friend of Jim: So put your tinfoil hat back in the closet, open your eyes to the truth, and realize that the government is in fact causing austismal cancer with it's 9/11 fluoride vaccinations of your water supply.
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DarkKobold wrote:
A person who is superior to you in some fashion, whether it be beauty, intelligence, wealth, physical prowess, or social standing, will not inform you to this fact. Why? They are emotionally secure about this aspect of their life. They know it to be true, and thus do not care what you think. They have nothing to prove to you.
What did you just try to prove, anyway?
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
A person who is superior to you in some fashion, whether it be beauty, intelligence, wealth, physical prowess, or social standing, will not inform you to this fact. Why? They are emotionally secure about this aspect of their life. They know it to be true, and thus do not care what you think. They have nothing to prove to you.
What did you just try to prove, anyway?
That I like to babble about things I find interesting?
Sage advice from a friend of Jim: So put your tinfoil hat back in the closet, open your eyes to the truth, and realize that the government is in fact causing austismal cancer with it's 9/11 fluoride vaccinations of your water supply.
Lol, someone brought of fruedian ideaology.
This follows the same ideaology when he said that people who hate their mothers, want to have sex with them, and that those who hate homsoexuality, is actually a homosexual.
Its for the most part bullshit.
But I do see the wisdom, DarkKobold, in being quiet about such things. But usualy one is quiet about it because he cares what those think about him. The wise man doesn't tell people he is wise, because the people will no longer think he is wise, and thus his wisdom will not be able to benefit anyone. I am a guy on the internet, no one will believe what I say anyways, generally speaking. So my rep is pretty much in the air. However, in real life, I would likely not have the audacity to say some of the things ive said [about being better]. Because unlike on the internet, in real life, teaching people and debate actually changes things.
And it is also the case, that most of the time, those who do make such claims, usually are not actually attributed with it.
[00:31:12] <stickie> by the way, thanks for the sig sixofour
[00:31:23] <sixofour> dejavu
[00:31:25] <sixofour> what sig?
[00:31:55] <stickie> you will just have to find out *insert mystical music*
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mmbossman wrote:
Dear sixofour, what does your logic and intuition tell you is the best way to rehabilitate a 19 year old female soccer player who is 6 weeks status post anterior cruciate ligament reconstruction on her left knee using a hamstring graft? By "best", I mean fastest return to pre-surgical condition with minimization of risk of graft failure?
Using my "medical skills" picked up from TASing Trauma Center, can I fix her up and then go on a date with her?
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Comicalflop wrote:
mmbossman wrote:
Dear sixofour, what does your logic and intuition tell you is the best way to rehabilitate a 19 year old female soccer player who is 6 weeks status post anterior cruciate ligament reconstruction on her left knee using a hamstring graft? By "best", I mean fastest return to pre-surgical condition with minimization of risk of graft failure?
Using my "medical skills" picked up from TASing Trauma Center, can I fix her up and then go on a date with her?
No, because western medicine is crappy because intuition says so, so you will likely end up killing her, and necrophilia is illegal.
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DarkKobold wrote:
pirate_sephiroth wrote:
DarkKobold wrote:
A person who is superior to you in some fashion, whether it be beauty, intelligence, wealth, physical prowess, or social standing, will not inform you to this fact. Why? They are emotionally secure about this aspect of their life. They know it to be true, and thus do not care what you think. They have nothing to prove to you.
What did you just try to prove, anyway?
That I like to babble about things I find interesting?
Think again... if you WERE/HAD something you wouldn't need to PROVE it... that's you going against your own idea.
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
If a chinese man can cure cancer or something by poking you in 38 specific spots with needles. It brings the need of western "chop him up and cut peices out" type of medicine into question.
[00:31:12] <stickie> by the way, thanks for the sig sixofour
[00:31:23] <sixofour> dejavu
[00:31:25] <sixofour> what sig?
[00:31:55] <stickie> you will just have to find out *insert mystical music*
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Comicalflop wrote:
mmbossman wrote:
Dear sixofour, what does your logic and intuition tell you is the best way to rehabilitate a 19 year old female soccer player who is 6 weeks status post anterior cruciate ligament reconstruction on her left knee using a hamstring graft? By "best", I mean fastest return to pre-surgical condition with minimization of risk of graft failure?
Using my "medical skills" picked up from TASing Trauma Center, can I fix her up and then go on a date with her?
[21:29] <jimsfriend> biasman
[21:29] <jimsfriend> don't fix her up anyway
[21:29] <jimsfriend> the way she is now, she probably can't leave before the date's over
But is Freud intuitively logical? Or is intuition to understand your logic not born, but given through experimentation which was previously understood by only those who use proper logic?
Intuition is apparently only granted to a select few, so those that can use logic, must be different than the logical ones who are given intuition to start with. Clearly, this provides a conundrum of a rather illogical proportion. Thus, one must consider that all logic stems from deeper intuition, by properties of the inherent in the intuition given at birth. We must sepErate that which is illogical from those who understand true logic, and are superior to those who do not understand the absolute logic which governs all intuitions.
Now, that which is absolute is unquestionably logical. This is so very clear now to me. Intuitively, I have always understood this, but through experimentation I lost that which is inherent to all human beings, although only a few will ever truly understand logic. I refuse to believe anything that anyone else has ever done using subjective methods. Intuition tells me that I will be able logic through any conundrum which my life faces. This can only be given inherently through my humanity.
If only you had read Scarabrogian's treaties on Humanity, or Deep Thoughts by Jack Handly, you would be as intelligent and superior in all intuitively logical things that I am. This is a pure absolute of the universe, and is unquestionable by anyone who disagrees with me.
Sage advice from a friend of Jim: So put your tinfoil hat back in the closet, open your eyes to the truth, and realize that the government is in fact causing austismal cancer with it's 9/11 fluoride vaccinations of your water supply.
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The worst readers.— The worst readers are those who behave like plundering troops: they take away a few things they can use, dirty and confound the remainder, and revile the whole.
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
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DarkKobold: do you think it is logical and intuitive for me to buy a Toyota, since they don't compete with anything, they are already on top, anything else is just a gesture by other auto companies?
I really need your logic and intuitivity on this one!
DarkKobold: do you think it is logical and intuitive for me to buy a Toyota, since they don't compete with anything, they are already on top, anything else is just a gesture by other auto companies?
I really need your logic and intuitivity on this one!
Intuitively, you should not driven a Western Automobile from an Eastern country, because it is clearly crap from the Western Eastern part of the world. In ancient China, real men commuted using a rickshaw, that employed a slave boy to pull them. My logic tells me that this is far superior intuition to any financial equitable conversion from Yen to Pounds to Dollars to Peso back to Yen then to Dollar. This gesture can only be understood by those who prescribe to a higher plane of logic - an automobileless 16th century plane.
If we go even further back, to before intuition was intuitively logical, you can see that our forebearing non-lizard humans that crawled out of the sea, they crawled upon the earth with their stomachs. This is the location we should all be, since we did not evolve, but still crawled from the sea. This is the only logically intuitive logic that any smart person (like myself) would ever accept.
Sage advice from a friend of Jim: So put your tinfoil hat back in the closet, open your eyes to the truth, and realize that the government is in fact causing austismal cancer with it's 9/11 fluoride vaccinations of your water supply.
The worst readers.— The worst readers are those who behave like plundering troops: they take away a few things they can use, dirty and confound the remainder, and revile the whole.
Spiffy.
[00:31:12] <stickie> by the way, thanks for the sig sixofour
[00:31:23] <sixofour> dejavu
[00:31:25] <sixofour> what sig?
[00:31:55] <stickie> you will just have to find out *insert mystical music*
Power without victories.— The strongest knowledge (that of the total unfreedom of the human will) is nonetheless the poorest in successes: for it always has the strongest opponent, human vanity.
Dangerous books.— Somebody remarked: "I can tell by my own reaction to it that this book is harmful." But let him only wait and perhaps one day he will admit to himself that this same book has done him a great service by bringing out the hidden sickness of his heart and making it visible.— Altered opinions do not alter a man's character (or do so very little); but they do illuminate individual aspects of the constellation of his personality which with a different constellation of opinions had hitherto remained dark and unrecognizable.
Think again... if you WERE/HAD something you wouldn't need to PROVE it... that's you going against your own idea.
The worst readers.— The worst readers are those who behave like plundering troops: they take away a few things they can use, dirty and confound the remainder, and revile the whole.
