If from two movies the only relevant difference is 10 seconds, the faster one is definitely the better because it conforms better to the spirit of TASing.
Of course. If there was a run 10 seconds shorter, that's the one that should be published. But there isn't, and I don't think that should prevent this movie from being published.
We publish visual performance here. I don't think I can possibly formulate an answer that will satisfy you, Warp -- it's not the first time I catch you in an utterly pedantic debate and even though I know exactly what I mean, I just cannot get it across to you in such a mechanically precise technically correct form which you would understand and accept. You're like a lawyer that is completely ignorant to the spirit of the law, going by the letter of it. Now, Kyrsimys has tried his best -- I don't think I could do better.
And I still think he is right and you are not.
You are correct: I don't understand his nor your point.
The fact is that submissions have been rejected for much less reason, even of much more interesting games. This is the first time I remember seeing "you can't see the flaws if you don't know about them" as an argument for publishing something. It actually sounds like a completely ridiculous argument.
Now, completely honestly: Would you be advocating the publication if this was, let's say, a SNES game rather than a DS one, knowing the flaws the run has?
(If you really want to publish it, then by all means go ahead. I'm just puzzled at the seeming hypocrisy shown here. This is clearly being pushed into publication for the sole reason that it's the first DS TAS, yet being advocated by completely different, and sometimes a bit ridiculous, arguments.)
I still can't understand what would be the problem in remaking this TAS, without the flaws. How long did it take to make the current submission?
Don't know what to tell you man. I don't really see why getting a DS run published on the site would really hold any special value to me. But, as Bisqwit (more or less) said, I guess there isn't anything that I can say to make you believe it.
Now, completely honestly: Would you be advocating the publication if this was, let's say, a SNES game rather than a DS one, knowing the flaws the run has?
Yes. If (1) the movie was not worse than another candidate movie, (2) it had no visible mistakes (i.e. ones that make you say "ouch, why did he do that, that's horrible" when you see it) and (3) was entertaining to watch nonetheless, I would approve its publication regardless of strategic discoveries made during the time the submission sits in the queue, regardless of the console it was made for.
Now, I still have no idea what kind of flaw is it that is in this movie, and consequently, whether (2) holds. I'm just saying, here's what I think if it's one of these cases.
Now, completely honestly: Would you be advocating the publication if this was, let's say, a SNES game rather than a DS one, knowing the flaws the run has?
Yes. If (1) the movie was not worse than another candidate movie, (2) it had no visible mistakes (i.e. ones that make you say "ouch, why did he do that, that's horrible" when you see it) and (3) was entertaining to watch nonetheless, I would approve its publication regardless of strategic discoveries made during the time the submission sits in the queue, regardless of the console it was made for.
Now, I still have no idea what kind of flaw is it that is in this movie, and consequently, whether (2) holds. I'm just saying, here's what I think if it's one of these cases.
Ok, if that's really your honest opinion, then I suppose I can't argue about it.
I won't disturb this thread anymore with my nagging, because there's no point in fighting, and I already expressed my opinion (for whatever it may be worth). I apologize for the disturbance.
(Yes, I'll watch this video if it's published, and I will probably enjoy it. It's not a question about that. I'm just being puzzled by the somewhat chaotic standards which seem to drift from one extreme to other and never settle to something clear and unambiguous.)
It had no visible mistakes (i.e. ones that make you say "ouch, why did he do that, that's horrible"
It's amazing how badly people are twisting this point in order to get it published. While this particular author is unlikely to submit a run with clearly visible mistakes that a random viewer would notice. it still contains clear strategic mistakes which lead to "ouch, why did he do that, that's horrible"
I consider this the most boring of all Mario platformers to watch someone play, even when played well.
For being played well, I'd vote yes. For the state of the emulator, I'm not sure it's really ready for publication. But we accepted Famtasia movies at one point, right?
It had no visible mistakes (i.e. ones that make you say "ouch, why did he do that, that's horrible"
It's amazing how badly people are twisting this point in order to get it published. While this particular author is unlikely to submit a run with clearly visible mistakes that a random viewer would notice. it still contains clear strategic mistakes which lead to "ouch, why did he do that, that's horrible"
Please read the post before posting, Mitjitsu. Bisqwit specifically said he has no idea what kind of flaws are in this movie and that he is only saying what he said on a theoretical basis. I haven't watched this movie either and I'm only taking a stance on what Warp said on page 1 about some flagpole trick (or was it something else? well something not clearly visible anyway).
I consider this the most boring of all Mario platformers to watch someone play, even when played well.
I have to second this. I came into watching with an open mind, but yech, if this is the best that can be done, NSMB may simply not be worth publishing, ever.
How fleeting are all human passions compared with the massive continuity of ducks.
[quote="Ferret Warlord"][quote="superjupi"]Yes. [i]I said it.[/i][/quote]
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This movie has been published. The posts before this message apply to the submission, and posts after this message apply to the published movie.See http://tasvideos.org/movies.cgi?id=113
Cool, I'll watch it again later.
Sonikkustar wrote:
Soon Arcade game will show up at the Workbench at this rate!
Yes!!!
EDIT: oh, sorry; I thought you said "show up at YouTube."
Just kidding, just kidding... Please don't take these lines very seriously.
You're just fucking stupid, everyone hates you, sorry to tell you the truth. no one likes you, you're someone pretentious and TASes only to be on speed game, but don't have any hope, you won't get there.
Is it possible to record a movie with just one of the screens? The DS' dual screen recording makes both screens small in full screen resolution, and most DS games seems to make little use for both screens at once. This movie seems to prove it (at least for me =P)
[edit] I'll move my suggestion to the appropriated topic.
My first language is not English, so please excuse myself if I write something wrong. I'll do my best do write as cleary as I can, so cope with me here =)
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