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Former player
Joined: 12/1/2007
Posts: 425
Most software is developed for and under Windows, and I like XP Pro SP3, so that's what I use. I haven't reinstalled in 2 years, and it is indeed a bit slower now, but it's still fast enough for me.
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Joined: 11/18/2006
Posts: 2426
Location: Back where I belong
I have OS X on my G5 iMac (~4 years old), and prefer to use it. I have XP on my laptop (~ 2.5 years old), and can tolerate it. When I purchase my next computer, I will be buying another Apple product, because I have absolutely no interest in upgrading anything in my computer (outside of RAM), and because I will be able to virtualize XP to allow me to continue to use emulators, which is the only unique task I use XP for anyway. I have no interest in using either Vista or Win 7 until it becomes the operating system of choice for the majority of the US. And considering that XP has been out for 7 or so years and people still prefer to downgrade to it rather than get Vista, I don't see me switching any time soon.
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Joined: 5/17/2007
Posts: 393
Location: Sweden
Windows XP mainstream support ends on 14 April 2009. After that it switches to extended support for a few years. Windows 7 is just slightly slower than XP so I'm switching to Windows 7 completely when it comes out. Vista just plain sucks to much.
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Joined: 8/9/2007
Posts: 1692
Location: Tiffin/Republic, OH
FODA wrote:
I miss dos too
So do I. If the computers of the world still ran on DOS, intelligence would be a prerequisite for using the Internet. I would like a world like that.
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Post subject: Lets have an intelligent discussion
Mitjitsu
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I like an OS which actually works, which unfortunately applies to none.
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Posts: 1692
Location: Tiffin/Republic, OH
Windows XP does everything I need an OS to do, and I run Slax from my flash drive in case I need Linux stuff. The only reason I would even consider "upgrading" to Vista would be for DirectX 10, but I don't have any games new enough that they'd be able to take advantage of it.
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Joined: 11/11/2006
Posts: 1235
Location: United Kingdom
Wockes wrote:
Windows 7 is just slightly slower than XP so I'm switching to Windows 7 completely when it comes out. Vista just plain sucks to much.
I lolled at this statement.
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Joined: 5/2/2006
Posts: 1020
Location: Boulder, CO
I never really thought about it, but I do miss DOS. I support any movement that brings it back~!
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Player (121)
Joined: 2/11/2007
Posts: 1522
bash > dos imo
I make a comic with no image files and you should read it. While there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free. -Eugene Debs
Joined: 10/3/2005
Posts: 1332
Zsh > Bash Period. :p I used to miss DOS, and the simpler times. Then I learned to use Cygwin. Now, all is well. /me popd's back out of this thread.
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my shell is bigger than ur shell
I make a comic with no image files and you should read it. While there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free. -Eugene Debs
Joined: 7/2/2007
Posts: 3960
I'm reminded of ed for some reason...
Pyrel - an open-source rewrite of the Angband roguelike game in Python.
Joined: 4/2/2008
Posts: 103
Location: The Netherlands
Speaking of Windows Vista stupidity (well, we're talking about it now!), have any of you had experience with the driver signature enforcement that Vista x64 employs? I just had a gruelling time disassembling the bootsector used by ReadyDriver Plus, so I could fix it to work on all my computers (the delay it uses for one of the stages is too short). ReadyDriver Plus scripts the boot manager to automate the process of manually selecting the 'Disable Driver Signature Enforcement' option, the only remaining way of circumventing it. One of my computers uses a ULi integrated network card, and the official driver has major problems - so my only real option is to use an unsigned driver. (note: you could enable Test Mode and sign the thing yourself, but that was about as much of a hassle as what I ended up doing, and disassembling the bootsector was a fun challenge rather than a chore)
Joined: 8/27/2006
Posts: 883
For high end computer, I'll use Windows 7 when it will be out. (I'll be buying a new laptop with it). For my low end laptop that I use for chatting and using internet, I use xubuntu. Xubuntu works pretty well, and just to chat and internet, that's fine, but sometime I miss when I need to do something that I can't easily do on Ubuntu.
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Joined: 3/10/2004
Posts: 7698
Location: Finland
Dromiceius wrote:
Zsh > Bash Period. :p
I just can't help but to love zsh. For example its smart file completion is unparalleled (at least when properly configured). Examples: * Relatively simple: Suppose you have a bunch of files in the current directory and all of them have og+r permissions, except one which doesn't. You write "chmod og+r " and press tab, and zsh intelligently completes to that one file for which the command makes sense. * Still relatively simple: Suppose that you are inside a directory which has many files, but only one of them is a pdf. You write "acroread " and press tab, and it will complete to that pdf file. * Medium: You write, for example, "mplayer " and press tab twice, and it will list all possible things you could give to mplayer as input, not only the possible video/audio files in the current directory, but also things like "cdda://", "tv://" and so on. Pressing tab again will start cycling through the possibilities. Write "mplayer -al" and press tab, and it completes it to "mplayer -alang". * Getting warm: Write "scp something" and press tab, and if "something" was the beginning of a hostname you have used with scp in the past, zsh will complete to it and add a ":" at the end. Press tab again and zsh will ask you for the ssh login details and then start completing the files/directories on the remote computer. * Freaking mental: Suppose you are inside a directory which is git-revisioned, with many files tracked by git. except for one or a few new files which are not yet. You write "git add " and press tab, and if there was only one such file, it will directly complete to it. If there were several, pressing tab again will list those files, and if you press it again, will start cycling through them. Is there something zsh's file completion can't do? Maybe give you the correct lottery numbers for next week (although I'm sure that's also on the works).
Joined: 2/13/2006
Posts: 39
Location: Finland
Warp wrote:
I just can't help but to love zsh. For example its smart file completion is unparalleled (at least when properly configured). Examples: ...
That's exactly the reason I prefer Z over Bash. I haven't had time or motivation to learn all the Z's little tricks, like editing in vim mode (I use vim too). I also like how Z clears the list of possible completions after it knows what you want. Bash just leaves all the garbage on the screen. Only problems I've encountered have been with metaflac. If I write metaflac --list and the beginning of the filename I want, Z won't complete the filename. However metaflac <filename> --list works as expected. But then again it might be just me, there might be some rule I'm not aware of yet. </semi-ot>
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oooh! I love zsh, one of the things I really care for, is if I'm on a computer that I haven't installed an app on, but I want to use, instead of giving me junk back, it'll actually tell me which package it's in. Turambar: Look under the completion rules for metaflac, it's under /usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/Unix/_metaflac Submit a patch if you fix it. ;)
Build a man a fire, warm him for a day, Set a man on fire, warm him for the rest of his life.
Joined: 2/26/2007
Posts: 1365
Location: Minnesota
I actually just installed linux mint on my laptop. so far pretty nifty, although I havent experimented that much with it.
adelikat wrote:
I very much agree with this post.
Bobmario511 wrote:
Forget party hats, Christmas tree hats all the way man.
Post subject: Re: Lets have an intelligent discussion
Joined: 2/25/2009
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Mitjitsu wrote:
I like an OS which actually works, which unfortunately applies to none.
I like people who think before they post, which unfortunately doesn't apply to Mitjitsu. I like people who give linux a shot before complaining about OSs that don't work before they give their 2 c which unfortunately doesn't apply to Mitjitsu. So 7 years after the release windows xp is a stable and relatively fast OS while vista only runs smooth with 2 GB of RAM... is that a sign of well developed software or is it a sign of contracts between software developers and hardware designers? ... or does it mean "fuck it... we don't have to develop good software because everyone has to buy it. let's hope that nobody ever hears of open source and its benefits."
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Joined: 10/27/2004
Posts: 1978
Location: Making an escape
These guys agree with Mitjitsu. (yes, I know many of you will have issues with this video)
A hundred years from now, they will gaze upon my work and marvel at my skills but never know my name. And that will be good enough for me.
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Joined: 12/1/2007
Posts: 425
Raiscan wrote:
Wockes wrote:
Windows 7 is just slightly slower than XP so I'm switching to Windows 7 completely when it comes out. Vista just plain sucks to much.
I lolled at this statement.
I lolled at the lack of any kind of argument in your post.
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Ferret Warlord wrote:
These guys agree with Mitjitsu. (yes, I know many of you will have issues with this video)
No wonder they said "Lin-Line-Lin-Line-ux" sucked (along with Windows and OS X), I mean that song came out in 2001, and all three of those lines have improved immensely since then (OS X with basically every release since Panther, Windows with XP and then 7, and Linux with Ubuntu and CentOS et. al.); also AppleDOS sucked IMO. By the way I had previously heard that song embedded from someone's imeem profile.
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Joined: 3/10/2004
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Location: Finland
I have always thought that MacOS rules. However, this opinion was solely based on what I had heard about it, rather than from using it. My main source of information was a friend who is a Mac fan and always described to me how great of a system it is, especially compared to Windows. In the last several months I have had to actually use a Mac for long periods of time because of my work. I have had to change my opinion a bit. Now, a GUI-based OS can be, roughly speaking, divided into two distinct parts in this context: The core OS (in other words, what features and system apps the OS provides) and the user interface. I don't have too many complaints about the core features and apps (so far) because it's basically a unix system with fancy Apple software However, the user interface is a completely different matter. As I said, I always believed MacOS to be an easy-to-use system for both beginners and pros, based on what I had heard. However, after having to actually use the system for months, it has many irritating features. And this doesn't simply mean that "it's different from Windows or KDE, thus it sucks". It really does have, IMO, usability problems. Ok, maybe it's not entirely true that it's not about "it's different, thus it sucks". However, this one thing I think can be justified: The apple keyboard works in many ways very differently from a standard PC keyboard. This can be really irritating for a person who has used the PC keyboard for well over a decade. This is especially true for the Finnish keyboard (and I'm sure it's the same for many others as well). It's not only that some keys are bound differently, but these key combinations are much more complicated than on the standard PC keyboard layout. Just as an example, in the Finnish keyboard, to get the characters { and } you press altgr+7 and altgr+0. In the Mac you have to press alt+shift+8 and alt+shift+9 (and the alt key is in a different place than the altgr key on a PC keyboard). This becomes quite irritating when programming in a {}-based language. There are also many other characters which are equally awkward to type. I personally also find the complete lack of the insert key to be irritating. (It's not because I use the insert feature, but because I am accustomed from more than 15 years of using text editors for programming to use shift+insert and ctrl+insert, and not having an insert key is irritating.) There's no way known to man to configure the Apple keyboard to have an insert key (or any other key for that matter) in the same place as the PC keyboard has. It has a "function" key in its place which does not work like a regular key, and cannot be configured to work like one. Naturally in the few instances where you really need the overwrite feature which the insert key normally provides, it can be irritating when you just can't. (I actually don't know if it's possible at all to switch to overwrite mode in MacOS text editors). The "home", "end", "page up" and "page down" behaviors work differently than in the PC, and can be irritating. But that's just the keyboard. The GUI has its problems as well. One of the major problems with the GUI is that applications and application windows are treated completely differently. To switch between applications you press command-tab, which works very similarly to how alt-tab works in Windows and KDE/Gnome (at least by default). In other words, applications are put onto a "stack" when switching between them, which means that you can eg. switch between two applications by single command+tab presses, even if there are more than two apps running. However, unlike Windows or KDE/Gnome, if an application has several windows open, you can't switch between them with command+tab. This can be really irritating if you have, for example, two terminals open: You just can't switch between them with command+tab, like you can switch between different apps. The same feature is really irritating also with X-Code. X-Code likes to open separate windows for almost everything (rather than keeping everything neatly inside one window like eg. Visual Studio does). Ok, the separate windows wouldn't be such a bother if it wasn't so damn difficult to switch between them. If, for example, one window completely covers another, there's no way to switch to that window with the mouse or command+tab. You have to move the window on top to uncover the hidden window (or you have to navigate through menus, or use other features, all of which are more cumbersome than it would be if you could simply command-tab to the other window, especially if you were typing and not using the mouse at the moment). Ok, you can switch between windows of the same app with a key combination. However, this key combination is so cumbersome to press in the Finnish keyboard layout, that I never even remember what it is. The way the Finnish keyboard is laid out, it's way more cumbersome than eg. in the US keyboard layout. Not only that, but switching between app windows with the key combination works differently than switching between apps with command+tab. In the former, no stack is used, and instead the key combination traverses the different app windows in linear order, without remembering which one was the last to have focus. Even if you somehow got used to using two alternative key combinations (for basically the same thing), the fact that they behave differently can be really confusing. I really think this kind of inconsistent behavior in window switching is a serious user interface flaw. As a "pro" user (well, rather literally, as I use the Mac for my payjob) I also find the lack of configurability irritating. You can't easily eg. configure the keyboard to work differently. For example, if I wanted to change what key combination produces a '{', there's no easy way in MacOS X to do that. Or if I want to configure what key or mouse button combinations switch between desktops ("spaces"), there's only a very limited amount of combinations offered. Or if I wanted to configure how the command+tab switcher behaves (eg. if I want it to switch only between apps in the current desktop), there doesn't seem to be any way of doing that (at least that I have found). And the list could go on and on.
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There is no telling about Microsoft forcing XP users to really get out that OS and go into Vista's expense, but not everyone can afford to upgrade - unless it's a brand new copy sold at cheaper prices at auctions or even eBay. For my notebook, it started with XP Media Center - then I gave Windows 7 a try. I now seek to live upon that operating system for as long as my notebook can hold it. It's faster and uses less memory than Vista thus far; the only way my computer crashes under 7 is if my "mobile techology" feature of my CPU can't take the excessive heat and does a hard shutdown (abort). Rats.
Post subject: Re: Lets have an intelligent discussion
Mitjitsu
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Foetzli wrote:
Mitjitsu wrote:
I like an OS which actually works, which unfortunately applies to none.
I like people who think before they post, which unfortunately doesn't apply to Mitjitsu. I like people who give linux a shot before complaining about OSs that don't work before they give their 2 c which unfortunately doesn't apply to Mitjitsu.
FYI, I have used all (or most if thats a more appropiate term) of main OS's being Windows 95-present, older versions of MAC to the more recognisable versions, Unix and Linux. Sure you might be able to pick on some aspect which is better than some of the others, but you can be sure it will have many more pitfalls. Overall the annoyances of all of them far outweigh anything it potentially does better than the rest.
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