There's one thing I like about the idea of a 70 star run; the stars that are 100 coins stars partners in 120 stars runs will be done separately. Stomp on the Thwomp and TTM Red Coins are good examples of this. Ask if you need any help.
This is a video I recorded long ago to check how solid are some walls. It shows that you can pass through some walls with high-speed. It may be interesting for a TAS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L02iexMZGBk
Does this improve R_z's WIP?
If so how much by?
One thing, try not to overdo the camera changes, I don't mind much if the camera zooms out or rotates, but the constant switching from Lakitu >> Mario and vice versa is a little overdone.
Does this improve R_z's WIP?
If so how much by?
One thing, try not to overdo the camera changes, I don't mind much if the camera zooms out or rotates, but the constant switching from Lakitu >> Mario and vice versa is a little overdone.
Of course it beat's his WIP (assuming you're referring to his old 70 star WIP)
Yeah i'll stop the frequent camera changing.
Does this improve R_z's WIP?
If so how much by?
One thing, try not to overdo the camera changes, I don't mind much if the camera zooms out or rotates, but the constant switching from Lakitu >> Mario and vice versa is a little overdone.
Of course it beat's his WIP (assuming you're referring to his old 70 star WIP)
Yeah i'll stop the frequent camera changing.
That's funny, because I actually prefer the frequent camera changing. Huh.
My thought has always been it's interesting to demonstrate tricks such as quick camera changing and switching stars very quickly, but they should not become the standard of the run. If you find an interesting spot to do it, feel free to do so. Don't use it wherever you're looking for something to do.
On that note, I fully support the creation of a 70 star BLJless run especially since the upcoming 120 star run will shatter most of the natural gameplay (which is equally good and bad.) The quality of gameplay in the WIP is also very good. I look forward to seeing future progress.
That was pretty good, but I think your Bob-omb King battle is improvable (pretty sure RZ found a faster way to grab him later on). Also, you should try using the first cannon you unlock to reach the second cannon. I'm not sure if that's faster, but it seems like it might be.
I like this WIP a lot. I'm trying not to watch the 120-star until it's completed, but this run looks quite promising so far. Will you be doing Mario Wings to the Sky without a cap somehow, or shall you come back to BOB after getting the wing cap?
I like this WIP a lot. I'm trying not to watch the 120-star until it's completed, but this run looks quite promising so far. Will you be doing Mario Wings to the Sky without a cap somehow, or shall you come back to BOB after getting the wing cap?
Now that's a close one. You can get Mario Wings To The Sky without a cap and just with the cannon, but it takes multiple passes. However, with the C^ BLJ, one could get back to the island in the sky quickly, which might be faster than returning with the cap. Unfortunately this is a BLJless run, so coming back is the only option (if he decides to get that star)
I'm not even getting anymore stars in BOB :P I'm using robz's route. Also I'm redoing everything with less gay camera spazzes and more optimization. :)
I'm not even getting anymore stars in BOB :P I'm using robz's route. Also I'm redoing everything with less gay camera spazzes and more optimization. :)
Personally I'd say adjust the camera on every frame if you want to. I wouldn't worry about an arbitrary limit on how often you change the camera. Just focus on an overall artistic effect of your musing and do what is necessary to achieve it. Obviously reducing lag is good, if that's possible, but otherwise, just do what you want with the camera. This is your work, we'll enjoy the end result regardless.
I'm not even getting anymore stars in BOB :P I'm using robz's route. Also I'm redoing everything with less gay camera spazzes and more optimization. :)
Personally I'd say adjust the camera on every frame if you want to. I wouldn't worry about an arbitrary limit on how often you change the camera. Just focus on an overall artistic effect of your musing and do what is necessary to achieve it. Obviously reducing lag is good, if that's possible, but otherwise, just do what you want with the camera. This is your work, we'll enjoy the end result regardless.
No, we won't enjoy the end results if he taps R through the entire run.
I'm not even getting anymore stars in BOB :P I'm using robz's route. Also I'm redoing everything with less gay camera spazzes and more optimization. :)
Personally I'd say adjust the camera on every frame if you want to. I wouldn't worry about an arbitrary limit on how often you change the camera. Just focus on an overall artistic effect of your musing and do what is necessary to achieve it. Obviously reducing lag is good, if that's possible, but otherwise, just do what you want with the camera. This is your work, we'll enjoy the end result regardless.
No, we won't enjoy the end results if he taps R through the entire run.
I don't know, seems a bit closed minded. What if the timing of the tapping produces a visual effect that is actually interesting? Not saying tapping R is a good idea, but it wouldn't be impossible to make it work. I was thinking more along the lines of using the c buttons in combination with R to make a smoothly varying camera style that a human player couldn't possibly reproduce. Think rapid, but subtle.
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Jammer01 wrote:
Johannes wrote:
Jammer01 wrote:
Kyman wrote:
I'm not even getting anymore stars in BOB :P I'm using robz's route. Also I'm redoing everything with less gay camera spazzes and more optimization. :)
Personally I'd say adjust the camera on every frame if you want to. I wouldn't worry about an arbitrary limit on how often you change the camera. Just focus on an overall artistic effect of your musing and do what is necessary to achieve it. Obviously reducing lag is good, if that's possible, but otherwise, just do what you want with the camera. This is your work, we'll enjoy the end result regardless.
No, we won't enjoy the end results if he taps R through the entire run.
I don't know, seems a bit closed minded. What if the timing of the tapping produces a visual effect that is actually interesting? Not saying tapping R is a good idea, but it wouldn't be impossible to make it work. I was thinking more along the lines of using the c buttons in combination with R to make a smoothly varying camera style that a human player couldn't possibly reproduce. Think rapid, but subtle.
Frankly I'd rather see where he's going rather than being exposed to a bunch of nasty angles.
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I don't see the problem with the quick camera changes, to be honest.
Without them, the video would need to be flagged as "contains speed/entertainment tradeoffs" or even rejected because a known optimisation isn't applied.
Just my 2¢
I'm not even getting anymore stars in BOB :P I'm using robz's route. Also I'm redoing everything with less gay camera spazzes and more optimization. :)
Personally I'd say adjust the camera on every frame if you want to. I wouldn't worry about an arbitrary limit on how often you change the camera. Just focus on an overall artistic effect of your musing and do what is necessary to achieve it. Obviously reducing lag is good, if that's possible, but otherwise, just do what you want with the camera. This is your work, we'll enjoy the end result regardless.
No, we won't enjoy the end results if he taps R through the entire run.
I don't know, seems a bit closed minded. What if the timing of the tapping produces a visual effect that is actually interesting? Not saying tapping R is a good idea, but it wouldn't be impossible to make it work. I was thinking more along the lines of using the c buttons in combination with R to make a smoothly varying camera style that a human player couldn't possibly reproduce. Think rapid, but subtle.
Frankly I'd rather see where he's going rather than being exposed to a bunch of nasty angles.
Just to let everyone know I have redone everything up to the king bob-omb fight with good angles.
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Hey Kyman, before you do anything else, I've got an improved route from MrRobertZ's. It's based on the times on www.sm64.com . Most TAS tricks are used in these runs, they are insane anyways here's the list of stars in order of time. JRB, BBH VCUtM and COtMC are skipped:
In The Deep Freeze
Shining Atop The Pyramid
Blast Away The Wall
Get A Hand
Snowman's Land Snowman's Big Head
Mysterious Mountainside
Shoot Into The Wild Blue
Tick Tock Clock Roll Into The Cage
Wall Kicks Will Work
Blast To The Lonely Mushroom
A-Maze-ing Emergency Exit
Red-Hot Log Rolling
Wet-Dry World Shocking Arrow Lifts!
Chill With The Bully
Fall Onto The Caged Island
Swingin' In The Breeze
Tricky Triangles!
Behind Chain Chomp's Gate
The Pit And The Pendulums
Whirl From The Freezing Pond
The Manta Ray's Reward
Stop Time For Red Coins
8-Coin Puzzle With 15 Pieces
To The Top Of The Fortress
Top O' The Town
Watch For Rolling Rocks
Breathtaking View From Bridge
Hazy Maze Cave Swimming Beast In The Cavern
Shifting Sand Land In The Talons Of The Big Bird
Timed Jumps On Moving Bars
Li'l Penguin Lost
Lethal Lava Land Boil The Big Bully
Tall, Tall Mountain Scale The Mountain
Castle Secret Stars Tower Of The Wing Cap
Rainbow Ride Cruiser Crossing The Rainbow
The Princess's Secret Slide Under 21"0
Shoot To The Island In The Sky
Five Itty Bitty Secrets
Elevator Tour In The Volcano
Cavern Of The Metal Cap
The Tip Top Of The Huge Island
Express Elevator--Hurry Up!
Hot-Foot-It Into The Volcano
Tiny-Huge Island Pluck The Piranha Flower
Coins Amassed In A Maze
Bowser In The Dark World
Bully The Bullies
The Princess's Secret Slide
Metal-Head Mario Can Move!
Cool, Cool Mountain Slip Slidin' Away
Scary 'Shrooms, Red Coins
Stomp On The Thwomp
Navigating The Toxic Maze
Inside The Ancient Pyramid
Whomp's Fortress Chip Off Whomp's Block
Wiggler's Red Coins
Chests In The Current
Snowman's lost his head
Somewhere Over The Rainbow
Shell Shreddin' For Red Coins
Bowser In The Fire Sea
Cool, Cool Mountain 100 Coins and Big penguin race
Whomp's Fortress 100 Coins and red coins on the floating isle
Dire, Dire Docks Board Bowser's Sub
Toad
Toad
Toad
MIPS
All stars are under 35 seconds.
EDIT: whoops, got mario wings to the sky in there, and somewhere over the rainbow, which may be plausible, but you need to activate the cannon, so maybe not, actually I'll leave it in there.
Replaced mario wings to the sky with snowman's lost his head. pity, now all stars aren't under 35 seconds :(
