Yeah, it was a pretty nice article.
Ferret Warlord wrote:
Not too bad an article, if a little outdated (Deign is the current Megaman record holder). Any idea if this will appear in the print magazine?
It never says Deign isn't. It just said that Bisqwit was most proud of his TAS work on Mega Man.
Edit: it also says that Bisqwit holds 2 current records... which is true (and thus not outdated).
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Funny how Andrew always seems to get featured in these kinds of articles. :) I guess the SMB record is something you can relate you, something that can seem impressive without watching the run.
I'll have to concour with other people who have posted, it was a nice objective article, however a bit short. Though any publicity is good publicity.
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Edit: it also says that Bisqwit holds 2 current records... which is true (and thus not outdated).
From the article you get very easily the impression that Megaman is one of them, even though it doesn't explicitly say that. Well, it's not like it's a really big deal. :)
Funny how Andrew always seems to get featured in these kinds of articles. :) I guess the SMB record is something you can relate you, something that can seem impressive without watching the run.
I'll have to concour with other people who have posted, it was a nice objective article, however a bit short. Though any publicity is good publicity.
Well, I certainly don't mind! ;)
Super Mario Bros. console speedrunner
- Andrew Gardikis
I think this article is rather poor, but there hasn't been a good speedrunning article yet, and this one isn't much worse than any of the others. I think at this point every new article that comes out just copies the previous ones. This one is particularly lazy and poorly written. I just realized the author never tried to contact us, which is a bad sign.
Well, I could pick this article to death but it's not very productive. Some of the SDA people had more complaints, but nothing really bothers me except one line: Some “pure” runners claim the use of tools as cheating. To me, that seems to be trying to create some rivalry or issue that isn't there. It's been a long time since sdkess vs Arc and m2k2's renaming idea, which were unfortunate but also in the distant past. I can't name a single person at SDA who considers TAS's to be cheating.
I just realized the author never tried to contact us, which is a bad sign.
Well, he contacted me, and I answered several questions of his, and he seems to have used most of it in the article.
And he tried to contact Andrewg as well, though Andrewg's reply came too late.
(The URL linked to in this post will be online later today)
I liked the article, just the thing with the "pure" gamers thinking that TAS is cheating was kinda stupid.
No speedrunner think that TAS is cheating.
Only the Trolls on Youtube think that.
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It's funny that you said that. Look at this conversation (translated) I've just had with thiago trujillo, a brazilian super mario 64 speedrunner with a guinness record:
http://www.angelfire.com/ex/uobt/convo.txt
I had never talked to him and as soon as he knew my opinion towards TASing he got personal and blocked me. So no, I don't think every speedruner is ok with the tasing community. It's just sad for them, because I don't care lol.
It's funny that you said that. Look at this conversation (translated) I've just had with thiago trujillo, a brazilian super mario 64 speedrunner with a guinness record:
http://www.angelfire.com/ex/uobt/convo.txt
I had never talked to him and as soon as he knew my opinion towards TASing he got personal and blocked me. So no, I don't think every speedruner is ok with the tasing community. It's just sad for them, because I don't care lol.
Uh, well you DID kind of say near the end there that TASing or playing by hand was irrelevant. You didn't say it in those words but you weren't careful enough to avoid implying that TASers and true game players could be compared and judged as if they were the same people.
But if you want a point too, you could say he's a jackass because all he cares about are rankings anyway. It's right there in the conversation. He wants rankings.
But rankings aint bad are they? I'd sure love speedrunning rankings with a runner's personal records. Instead of that the guy seemed a bit close minded, which may be helped by other circumstances, lets say not speaking english, not being proficient with computers, not being an "online" person, any of those can make him discard the sites we know and get him much closer to guiness and such. So the approach was not appropiate to change his mind, but Foda, you weren't blocked because of your tas inclinations, if someone unkwnown flipped me off (end of convo) I'd block them too.
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FODA wrote:
Uh, well you DID kind of say near the end there that TASing or playing by hand was irrelevant. You didn't say it in those words but you weren't careful enough to avoid implying that TASers and true game players could be compared and judged as if they were the same people.
I was just comparing that having free time means having an advantage for both TASers and speedrunners, did I not get my point through? I don't see how I compared both as competing against each other.
Anyway, rankings are great. Do you guys know about Ubernes emulator? It has online rankings and it avoids emulator abuse cheating. It can't be perfect avoid cheating because nothing is, but then again it's meant to be for fun, something this dude can't grasp. And it's played on an emulator too, so presenting this emulator to him didn't cross my mind.
You gave the wrong reasons for TAS submissions to be disqualified over live runs. for one. Then you went on to say "the best one is he who can finish the game faster", completely tossing aside the fact that if you said that to anyone else in competitive gaming, they'd be pretty damn mad about the trivialization of their skills. You basically said "it doesn't matter how good you are, we don't need and skill and we're better than you"
After which he mocked you for it.
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What? I never said anything about TAS submissions being qualified or disqualified over normal speedruns. The whole conversation I mentioned aspects of both TASing and speedrunning and why I like or dislike each SEPARATELY.
"The best one is he who can finish the game faster": Wasn't it clear that I meant the best TASER is the one who can finish faster? I never implied that TASing and regular speedrunning should be put in the same bucket. So much that that hipothesis didn't cross my mind, my theory was that he was so mad about records done on emulators beating his times that he over reacted to me saying that I do a lot of TASes. Now that you thought I was saying that with TASing I can do what he can't with normal speedrunning maybe he thought that too?
Well, guess what: It DID sound like you were trying to say TASers were superior. There wasn't anything there to stop from mixing TASers and regular players into the same point, and that would be the problem.
You'd probably have done better if you made it clear in that one message I quoted. It's the only thing that explains why he got mad about it at that point and not earlier.
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Yeah, true at that point he went mad, but earlier he was exposing his thoughts with "tas for me requires nothing" and "computer's help for me is shit", so he was inclined to thinking what he wanted to think. I just quoted the text from the guiness site and then made that comment because they said "it's hard to know which player is better" so I said "the best one is he who can finish the game faster". Did I not say earlier that mixing both would be ridiculous? anyway, I guess that's cleared up, thanks for exposing that possibility.
It's funny that you said that. Look at this conversation (translated) I've just had with thiago trujillo, a brazilian super mario 64 speedrunner with a guinness record:
http://www.angelfire.com/ex/uobt/convo.txt
I had never talked to him and as soon as he knew my opinion towards TASing he got personal and blocked me. So no, I don't think every speedruner is ok with the tasing community. It's just sad for them, because I don't care lol.
That was just a douchbag.
Ok, but I will say it in a different way. Most Speedrunners don't think that TAS is cheating.
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