Its probally already known but heres a zip I found in the second stage although I doesn't seem be very useful, unless you can do something useful first by going backwards. I recorded from the end of Nitsuja's movie.
Yeah, already found that when doing that stage, there were places to zip or clip through the ground but none of them seemed to be useful. Even using that speed to lodge into the ground under the loop and zip back to the right wouldn't make up for having to go backwards that much.
stanski wrote:
If you want to show something off from another level, just use level select.
That's usually more time-consuming than using an existing movie, especially when you want to show something in the middle of the level as AKA did.
Tails can jump higher than Knuckles and Sonic can. Also Tails may be slower, but when I played 2p mode, Tails outran me at my highest speed.
So it's up to anyone who wants to try it. I might when I get the emulator again.
Currently working on:
-Possibly the Wily Tower (Mega Man the Wily Wars)
Tails jumps exactly the same height as Sonic. The only 1P difference between Sonic and Tails is that Sonic can duck to nullify Robotnik's ooze in Chemical Plant and Tails can't.
Well, I should probably test that before I make such bold claims, but I do know they jump to exactly the same height.
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While this thread has been bumped and 2P mode mentioned:
Doing anything with 2P with the three normal levels isn't particularly useful, as the levels (IIRC) very closely match their 1P mode counterpart. I have thought, however, that a 2P TAS of the Special Stage collecting 100% of the rings would be interesting to watch for the sheer WTF potential.
Thoughts?
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sgrunt wrote:
While this thread has been bumped and 2P mode mentioned:
Doing anything with 2P with the three normal levels isn't particularly useful, as the levels (IIRC) very closely match their 1P mode counterpart. I have thought, however, that a 2P TAS of the Special Stage collecting 100% of the rings would be interesting to watch for the sheer WTF potential.
Thoughts?
I like this idea alot, though I must mention 100% is impossible on the final special stage, at least.
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While this thread has been bumped and 2P mode mentioned:
Doing anything with 2P with the three normal levels isn't particularly useful, as the levels (IIRC) very closely match their 1P mode counterpart. I have thought, however, that a 2P TAS of the Special Stage collecting 100% of the rings would be interesting to watch for the sheer WTF potential.
Thoughts?
I like this idea alot, though I must mention 100% is impossible on the final special stage, at least.
I don't know... if you kept spinning in circles at the right speed, two characters may be able to nab each ring in the final special stage. I'd hate to try those stages in frame advance, though. The response time isn't exactly phenomenal.
The only 1P difference between Sonic and Tails is that Sonic can duck to nullify Robotnik's ooze in Chemical Plant and Tails can't.
Almost certain Tails is also slightly shorter than Sonic. It is not much but it helps in getting times of 0.53 in Death Egg without being killed in the process during non tool assisted play. Not 100% sure about that though. I will check on TSC in the morning and edit the post.
sgrunt wrote:
I have thought, however, that a 2P TAS of the Special Stage collecting 100% of the rings would be interesting to watch for the sheer WTF potential.
Thoughts?
Course in the one player mode you can control Tails in Special Stages as well in normal play. In my mind it be better to do that in all 7 of the special stages in a Super Sonic/All emeralds run, rather than something that at best will only make the concept demo publication area.
I agree though. A perfect special stage would be a good watch considering how 'useful' tails usually is there.
Almost certain Tails is also slightly shorter than Sonic.
Also true.
I don't think the collision box for tails is smaller though. Never tried so can't say.
collision box is definately smaller, since it extends from the head the the ground for both characters, and you can spindash under metal sonic with tails but not sonic without dying. And it also makes 12 hits on death egg slightly more possible (though still ridiculously hard to pull off without slowdown and savestates).
Also, is anyone ever going to do an improved run for this? There's enough time now saved in aquatic 1, metro 3, and maybe some time in metro 3 (doubtful) that a new run should definately be made.
collision box is definately smaller, since it extends from the head the the ground for both characters, and you can spindash under metal sonic with tails but not sonic without dying. And it also makes 12 hits on death egg slightly more possible (though still ridiculously hard to pull off without slowdown and savestates).
The hitbox is smaller. there are spikes that come from the ceiling in some areas that will hurt sonic but not tails. However, sonic can spindash under metal sonic without dying, I've done this on the console. Just don't do it flush against the wall and release the dash when it goes into ball form.
collision box is definately smaller, since it extends from the head the the ground for both characters, and you can spindash under metal sonic with tails but not sonic without dying. And it also makes 12 hits on death egg slightly more possible (though still ridiculously hard to pull off without slowdown and savestates).
The hitbox is smaller. there are spikes that come from the ceiling in some areas that will hurt sonic but not tails. However, sonic can spindash under metal sonic without dying, I've done this on the console. Just don't do it flush against the wall and release the dash when it goes into ball form.
Right, i've obviously done it before as well many many times, but tails can do it flush against the wall when he moves to the left side while sonic cannot (meaning sonic will be slightly slower for humans to kill metal sonic).
That is definitely not the optimal route to gain 50 rings. I know me and mike89 tested it out a while ago and could get to that checkpoint much faster than 21 (I believe it was 16 or 17, though it may be as low as 14 or 15) in real time with a different route.
I kind of do, but kind of don't: I remember it involved going into that waterfall area underneath the checkpoint (at least I think it did). Anyways, I'm too lazy to figure it out but just wanted to point out that the route was obviously not optimal.
The only 1P difference between Sonic and Tails is that Sonic can duck to nullify Robotnik's ooze in Chemical Plant and Tails can't.
Almost certain Tails is also slightly shorter than Sonic. It is not much but it helps in getting times of 0.53 in Death Egg without being killed in the process during non tool assisted play. Not 100% sure about that though. I will check on TSC in the morning and edit the post.
I don't know about that, but Tails is slower. Or at least, he seems to be slower, since he can't reach his last run animation on flat ground by just pressing a direction. This may be placebo though, and his max speed matches that of Sonic anyway so it doesnt matter.
Personally I'd love to see a Super Sonic run.
