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  • Emulator: FEC Ultra 0.98.16
  • Aims for fastest time
  • Abuses programming errors
  • Uses warps
21 frames faster than the published movie due to the legendary flagpole-stuck glitch[1] in Stage 8-2.
This trick itself saved lots of frames, but it also took lots of frames to be performed[2].

Credits

Thanks to everyone who gave me informations on the flagpole-stuck glitch[1].

Notes

[1] Someone should give it a better name than this one.
[2] Otherwise this movie would be 126 frames faster.

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Posted: 3/19/2008 8:31 AM
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TASVideoAgent
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This topic is for the purpose of discussing #1891: klmz's NES Super Mario Bros. "warps" in 04:58.18
Posted: 3/19/2008 8:43 AM
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Hooray for legendary submissions that won't last for more than a day in the queue before being published!
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Posted: 3/19/2008 8:49 AM
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Hahaha, so others were still able to improve the published movie… Well, not anymore I guess.
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Posted: 3/19/2008 9:29 AM
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BenniCR
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Well, rather NICE i would say; no reazon to not be published. After watching the movie, i thought about a posibility. Do you think you can save further frames by penetrating the blocks at the end of worlds 4-2 and 1-2? im not familiar on the trick pretty much, but it could save a couple of frames or so. If it doesnt, well, perfect; if it does. Nice xD perfection will never be perfect, congrats on a great smb1 movie.\ BTW: A little more explanation on the glitch would be appreciatted =3
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Posted: 3/19/2008 9:34 AM
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AnS
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I wonder if the glitch was first found in tool-assisted play or not. Now SMB full run definitely needs to be revised.
Posted: 3/19/2008 9:39 AM
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AnS, it's not possible in realtime. And as klmz was saying for his first submission, he had been trying to figure out a way to get past the flagpole without having to lower the flag. So he has been trying to do this for quite some time tool-assisted.
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Posted: 3/19/2008 10:04 AM
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Heh, I loved the 8-2 finish. 21 frames? I take it most levels didn't benefit from the glitch since that would mean only one had a frame-rule cycle saved? Or does the rule apply to some step of the flag anim that's being skipped so each level contributed a few frames? What are the current frames needed to get one cycle ahead with the frame-rule for each level?
Posted: 3/19/2008 10:16 AM
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Very good. Wouldn't have expected the last one to be improved this much.
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Posted: 3/19/2008 10:29 AM
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I was wondering if I'd be able to spot the improvement without watching the old run. Well, I was, so this gets a yes-vote. Awesome glitch.
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Posted: 3/19/2008 10:42 AM
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This movie has been published. The posts before this message apply to the submission, and posts after this message apply to the published movie. ---- [1080] NES Super Mario Bros. "warps" by klmz in 04:58.18
Posted: 3/19/2008 10:43 AM
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Hooray for legendary submissions that won't last for more than a day in the queue before being published!
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Posted: 3/19/2008 11:34 AM
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Deign wrote:
AnS, it's not possible in realtime.
Why not? Sure it requires high level of precision which can be achieved via tool-assistance or pure luck. So I agree the trick is impossible to repeat in realtime, but not to find it accidentally.
Deign wrote:
And as klmz was saying for his first submission, he had been trying to figure out a way to get past the flagpole without having to lower the flag. So he has been trying to do this for quite some time tool-assisted.
Uh, I was under impression that klmz wasn't one who actually found the trick.
Posted: 3/19/2008 12:45 PM
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This is an example of a TAS tha was thought impossible to beat, beaten, and you go to sleep, withthe new one not being there, and then you wake up and it's published. First time this happened to me was 4 days ago with Shinryuu's MM6 run. As with all SMB1 runs, this run freaking rocks! Great job!
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Posted: 3/19/2008 12:58 PM
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klmz wrote:
21 frames faster than the published movie due to the legendary flagpole-stuck glitch.
Can you be more precise as to where is the improvement? And why it has been improved? Edit: Ok, I thought it was improved by 21 frames due to some minor error but 've just watched it after noticing that andrewg pointed out about a glitch in the SMB1 thread.
Posted: 3/19/2008 2:41 PM
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Fantastic use of a Bullet Bill there. I can't wait until this run drops below 4:30. ^_^ EDIT: Hang on, I just realized something: how come the flagpole glitch wasn't used in 8-3? *hurries off to make an improved speed run*
Posted: 3/19/2008 4:12 PM
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Man, yesterday I almost decided to try my first TAS, and considering it is smb1, I thought it would be a good idea to do. TASing a simple game would be a good way to start and I know all the glitches used. I can't beleive I found this and realized it would save time only a few hours prior to it being published. I wish I had stayed up and played for hours attempting to pull off my first ever TAS.
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Posted: 3/19/2008 4:31 PM
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anyone else getting desync in 8-2? I dont know what could be causing this.
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Posted: 3/19/2008 6:05 PM
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Works for 0.98.15 and 0.98.16 for me. Super Mario Bros. (JU) (PRG0) [!] checksum: e8630381e653d7732b18fdf055ec4dd. Maybe you're using PRG1?
Posted: 3/19/2008 7:01 PM
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Wow, that was f*** awasome!
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Posted: 3/20/2008 4:07 AM
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minglw
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Didn't know that the previous run can still be improved. Though the movie is already published, I will still cast my yes vote.
Posted: 3/20/2008 9:26 AM
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I love the fact that this improvement makes the movie different. VERY different from any earlier SMB runs, even though it's just one level.
Posted: 3/20/2008 10:06 AM
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Still wondering about 8-3.
Posted: 3/20/2008 4:18 PM
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Cool run, but yet another prime example of a movie being published way too quickly.
Posted: 3/20/2008 4:31 PM
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Here's a handy link of all the arguments for and against fast publication. Ya know, just so we don't pollute another thread with the same fucking bullshit that's been talked to death already.
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Posted: 3/20/2008 8:47 PM
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I am really perplexed, I have the right rom (exact checksum match) and the same version of the emulator. It works for every other NES run available, what is different about this one? also strange, it seems to desync in 8-2, presumably about where he strayed from the last run. anyone got advice?
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