Casual users won't notice the 1-2 saved frame(s) in that room anyway. Why spend too much time on it, Cpadolf's strat is very good.
Well it's the fact that it's very good that made us spent time on this strategy, otherwise I'd just use the previous one. Though it won't change anything at this point because evilchen decided we're using his version which is largely the same (and any further improvement will have to wait until low%v2).
Warp wrote:
Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.
iirc he said he started ceres after hero moozooh and me got the first improvement after jxqs 100% v2.. was that one year ago? damn i can't remember
You mean when you guys did the 49'07? I don't really think that was a whole year ago.
EDIT:
Taco says:
It wasn't. I first found out about the 49'15 in April IIRC.
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Casual users won't notice the 1-2 saved frame(s) in that room anyway. Why spend too much time on it
Because they can. Besides, those of us who have been here a while will greatly appreciate the artistic beauty of the attempted perfection (at least once we read about this section or group of sections in the submission text).
Best of luck, guys!
Anyways, if you want, I'll work out a formula for arm-pumpability on slopes when I get the time. But really, I'm pretty sure it's about what you'd expect it to be - slopes are approximated by pixelized paths rather than a strict slope, and Samus can only armpump when the path is two horizontal pixels in a row. Which would depend virtually entirely on Samus's pixel position (i.e. ignoring block and sub-pixel position).
so it's just about figuring out the proper shape of the slope, then applying the well-known movement formulas and you're done?
how many different slopes are there actually? I haven't worked much with SMILE, but unless each slope piece has a different shape it shouldn't be a huge deal to code a brute-forcing application.
There are technically 32 different slopes. 6 are just normal blocks, about 8 are completely unused, about 3 or 4 have invalid data, about 8 exist but are completely unused, and there are about 8 that are the slope blocks that exist in Super Metroid that you'd think of slope blocks.
There are 2 blocks for a 60 degree slope, 2 blocks for a 30 degree slope, 1 block for a 45 degree slope, 2 blocks for a sort of off-set 45 degree slope, and 1 block for a 'slope' that is actually more of a staircase.
You can also flip all the slopes.
kwinse wrote:
Kejardon wrote:
Kriole wrote:
Samus is damaged by a Rinka in the opening.
That's a script action; no damage.
... it just dawned on me I know way too much about SM.
taco is awsome. is there any more improvment that you can see?
There is still one left, but don't keep your hopes up on that one. I think that Taco will pretty much give up Ceres now ;]. And I got Elite Pirates to worry about; the other fecka only wants to give me 5 SMissiles and a normal missile, and we wouldn't want that.
Edit: Good news. It just dropped me 6 super missiles. Expect new WIP very soon =)
I didn't spend even close to a 1/4th of a year in that room. What are you talking about Saturn? Please refer to my old 1.51 wip to see how I clearly did not give a shit about optimizing that room.
As Cpadolf said, I was referring to moozooh's quote. As you know, I'm not aware of all the stuff going on with the recent projects, so sorry if it wasn't true in your case.
Comicalflop:
Sometimes the truth should be said, so that people know what to expect. I don't like to ignore important stuff.
Kriole:
Really awesome to see you are already in Lower Norfair. I very much look forward for the next WIP and especially to see how you will handle Ridley. Good luck!
I also have some news for you:
Being kind enough to show some of my tricks I actually planned to keep secret until submission, I decided to make another small teaser video showing mixed speed demos of the 3 runs I have worked in the past (RBO, Any% and New TAS Demo). It contains some new and never before seen scenes especially from the RBO run, but also a few useful tricks from the any%.
I used Vandal's useful guide to convert the video for YouTube's 30 fps conditions, while still maintaining the 60 fps effect to have much smoother moves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ewgBGXFR8A
More info in the video description. Enjoy!
I encoded it to 30 fps only using 4 passes with each taking around a hour, since I intended this video to be for YouTube only. Let's see if I can make a exception and encode one to 60 fps when I get more time again. I will let you know when it's done.
Conversation with Taco:
Toni sanoo:
I'm almost making teardrops
Toni sanoo:
this is the TASer I fell in love with when I first saw his videos
I think you already know I'm talking about Saturn's new video. With making SM music videos, I think you're THE number one. I mean, I for a long time got the same feeling as I did when I didn't know anything about Super Metroid, just seeing someone beating it with awesome style, and the AWESOME music just making it more awesome. The top climax of awesomeness.
Saturn, I deeply from my heart thank you for bringing me this feeling back again. :') Now to watch the vid a few more times.
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Nice music to video timing. Great music choice as always. You are an awesome movie maker, Saturn :)
Though I am kinda curious about what in the video was new. I didn't see anything that wasn't already known. The only thing that people might not have seen was the ice beam area entrance without blue suit... but this was something that I wrote in detail when cpadolf submitted his run. Which of these demos would save time in the any% run?
Wow, thank you guys! I'm glad you like the vid.
Hero:
A few timesaver for the any% would be the green door entrance before Botwoon (which is around 10 frames faster than JXQ's), Botwoon fight and exit as mentioned before, the Ice Beam entrance without blue suit (it's much better to see it done perfectly instead of reading a rough instruction), and of course the walljumpless Wave Beam entrance which nobody except of you and JXQ knew about. Also, don't compare yourself to everybody else. Your SM knowledge is one of the largest here after all, so it's not surprising you don't see anything new (this will probably change after my submission though). But for 99,99% of other people, this video for sure contains some stuff never seen before.
yeah iam 0,01% iam so small :(
ontopic: going back from ridley they way you were going to him isnt any faster or? did someone test / compare? its just a rough thought
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okay, that's understandable.. I just thought you were actually gonna put in stuff that was truly new to all of us TASers, not the youtube crowd. Either way, it is cool. I might even make my own demo video sometime, since I have made dozens of test SMVs which I never bothered to post.
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Saturn wrote:
But for 99,99% of other people, this video for sure contains some stuff never seen before.
To tell you the truth, I actually did not see anything new with your new demo. On the contrary, I saw a lot of old stuff and I know for a fact that at least a few people agree with me.
Anyway, I am thoroughly impressed with Tacos determination, which nowadays seem to be rare because its pretty easy to get impatient. Excellent work.
Nitrogenesis wrote:
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
going back from ridley they way you were going to him isnt any faster or? did someone test / compare? its just a rough thought
I did. It's a bit slower than shinesparking back, but I badly needed some refills in that room, so it was out of question to use the spark.
hero of the day wrote:
okay, that's understandable.. I just thought you were actually gonna put in stuff that was truly new to all of us TASers, not the youtube crowd. Either way, it is cool. I might even make my own demo video sometime, since I have made dozens of test SMVs which I never bothered to post.
Same here. I wouldn't suggest to spoil too many tricks very early though, what will be left for our runs otherwise? ;-)
AngerFist:
Well, if not counting the Old Escape Shaft strategy (which would be new for everybody if I wouldn't post the smv demo before) and the walljumpless Wave Beam, then maybe you're right. I did a mistake to spoil this 2 tricks before making this video, but I just didn't plan to do one back then. It was a quick decision I did only 3 days ago.
I wouldn't suggest to spoil too many tricks very early though, what will be left for our runs otherwise? ;-)
Sharing information makes improvement that much easier.
If you take twelve people and isolate them with identical projects, each person's unique perspective inherently gives them certain strengths and weaknesses. They'll all finish the same project with radically different results, but not one of them will be as good as all of their projects' best features coming together.
What's more, if you sit on it long enough, someone else is bound to make the same discovery and share it with the world anyway. Isn't it easier to just cooperate and forget the competition for glory altogether?
Saturn, watching all your WIP videos now made me thinking, if you wouldn't had made any of those and would've finished the RBO faster without teasing anyone with the Ceres, I think that would've been one of the biggest and most praised TASes ever published. I mean with those WIPs the tricks you did were showed all eventually, but what if you would've just posted the final run and everyone would've seen them all in one smv, I think it would've been epic.
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RBO WIP
Ridley is dead.
Just some short notes;
Uhm.
At the energy refill station in norfair you can see me using up a 80/100 from a reserve tank, I had gathered energy refills to try if LN was possible with 1 less energy tank. My tests were not completely fruitless; it is possible, but needs some insane ammo/energy management, which I don't possess. I take that pause screen to turn off ice/spazer, so no harm done. Enjoy.
Edit: forgot to mention. Took Saturn's route instead. I know, it's slower, but many people said that it was way more entertaining with norfair first. So do I.
