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Cpadolf wrote:
He basically means you are either stupid or sadly ignorant not to believe him.
I'm neither. I don't believe he got that time (not saying it's impossible to get) because everybody else is here, sharing there discoveries as soon as they find them. Saturn however, hasn't shared how to get 49'15 (if he got it). I can understand if he wants people to try to get his time (if he got it), but holding on to it for a year, thats just crazy (not saying Saturn is crazy, olny what he did with is time (as in not sharing it if he got it)). That's just my opinion on the matter. I don't care if you think I'm stupid or sadly ignorant, it's not my problem if you hate me for speaking my mind or saying my opinion.
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Fano wrote:
Cpadolf wrote:
He basically means you are either stupid or sadly ignorant not to believe him.
I'm neither.
Isn't that ignorant :p
Also, if Saturn can upload an smv of 49'15 to a web-host that tells us when the file was uploaded and then when we finally get 49'15, he can give us the link (Badongo anyone?)
I don't care if you think I'm stupid or sadly ignorant, it's not my problem if you hate me for speaking my mind or saying my opinion.
Hope you're not talking about me there... I said nothing of the kind.
Besides when did hate get involved? If I know Saturn it would rather be pity for not realizing his greatness...
Anyway I do believe he actually got the time. Judging from his shown work on the game and various discoveries I'd say that if the time was possible to get he would likely have enough knowledge to do it.
And I really don't think he is such a sad person as to lie about something like this.
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Cpadolf wrote:
Fano wrote:
I don't care if you think I'm stupid or sadly ignorant, it's not my problem if you hate me for speaking my mind or saying my opinion.
Hope you're not talking about me there... I said nothing of the kind.
Not talking about in in any way.
Cpadolf wrote:
Besides when did hate get involved? If I know Saturn it would rather be pity for not realizing his greatness...
Anyway I do believe he actually got the time. Judging from his shown work on the game and various discoveries I'd say that if the time was possible to get he would likely have enough knowledge to do it.
And I really don't think he is such a sad person as to lie about something like this.
Well I didn't play SM when he made all of these discoveries. And besides, I'm just expressing my own opimion. That's all.
Current TAS Project:
SMR 100% TAS - 12.5% of the way done with the initial route (I'm going to then release it for further improvments)
Yeah, never said you couldn't express your opinion, you can say or think pretty much anything you want. Like sometimes at night I wonder if taco is really Saturn slowly showing all his ceres timesavers in order to praise himself (no I don't really believe that, I just think of it as a unlikely possibility...)
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Cpadolf wrote:
Yeah, never said you couldn't express your opinion, you can say or think pretty much anything you want. Like sometimes at night I wonder if taco is really Saturn slowly showing all his ceres timesavers in order to praise himself (no I don't really believe that, I just think of it as a unlikely possibility...)
That's an intersting thought. Also, I'm not disscussing my opinion anymore. This is not a place to be taking about what I think, it's a place to tak about TASing.
Current TAS Project:
SMR 100% TAS - 12.5% of the way done with the initial route (I'm going to then release it for further improvments)
Gotta say that the quote in your sign when taken out of context like that is quite offensive towards Saturn, if someone sees that instead of the original message they might get weird thoughts... That's not good.
Emergency alert! We have a Class V Thought Emergency! Please concentrate and focus on harmless thoughts and be ready to initiate decontamination!
Please meditate more, so that you will have only right and positive thoughts. Be aware that people who think something offensive may have their existence corrected.
Fano:
I mentioned many times in the past why I didn't share my Ceres work. There is no need to repeat that everytime a clueless person comes around. If you are able to read, simply check this topic a few pages back and you get the idea.
Cpadolf wrote:
But anyway, the possible 00:01 change in the clock will only come from changed clock behavior and not a saved frame right?
Yes. It wouldn't be a true gain, just a change in the timer-display.
P.JBoy wrote:
Also, if Saturn can upload an smv of 49'15 to a web-host that tells us when the file was uploaded and then when we finally get 49'15, he can give us the link (Badongo anyone?)
No need. I have a zipped backup from September 2006 which clearly displays the "last time changed" date of the smv.
Cpadolf wrote:
Like sometimes at night I wonder if taco is really Saturn slowly showing all his ceres timesavers in order to praise himself (no I don't really believe that, I just think of it as a unlikely possibility...)
Wow, would I really need to do that? Don't worry, I'm not Taco. Ask Bisqwit to compare our IP's or whatever to get the proof. ;-)
Fabian:
No need to blame Cpadolf for things he hasn't done.
I can't believe this is still being discussed. Didn't everyone agree that :
"Yes. It wouldn't be a true gain, just a change in the timer-display. "
So, to someone like me, a normal TAS fan, we would never even know the difference when watching it. It's nice and all but it's just a number on a timer. If it was actually a time saver it would be a different story; but in this case, just drop it until Saturn submits a movie with it included... I'd much rather see discussion about new tricks which are actually useful, and I'm certain a lot of other people would as well.
Wow, would I really need to do that? Don't worry, I'm not Taco. Ask Bisqwit to compare our IP's or whatever to get the proof. ;-)
Would you really need to do what? Besides not really that I think your taco (the theory looks good on the surface but if you dig deeper it seems unlikely) but a IP check would not really bring any answers if done correctly (unless it could show your country and it was completely different)
As far as I know you can only edit the data "in" the smv, not the one that displays when you right-click on the smv and go to "properties" (or whatever it says in english). A direct downloaded smv would show the date you DL'ed it, but a zipped one keeps the original date. Maybe it's indeed possible to edit this date somehow if you have good programming knowledge, but I don't know about it.
Mlandry wrote:
I'd much rather see discussion about new tricks which are actually useful, and I'm certain a lot of other people would as well.
Don't worry, you will see plenty of them in my new run once it's done.
Cpadolf wrote:
Would you really need to do what?
Register as Taco for all this Ceres mess. This would be ridiculous and there is no sense at all to do that. Surprising people with new stuff in a new run is much more important for me than spoiling tricks just to "praise" myself.
My only issue with all this is that new cool runs are not being worked on because all the tasers are spending their time on this stupid Ceres frame. Saturn, since these people don't know when to quit, you should either reveal the secret or finish your own damn run, just to let everybody move on.
My only issue with all this is that new cool runs are not being worked on because all the tasers are spending their time on this stupid Ceres frame. Saturn, since these people don't know when to quit, you should either reveal the secret or finish your own damn run, just to let everybody move on.
You're wrong. The only TASer who truly developed something for Ceres except me is Taco. All other (moozooh in first place) are spending their time waiting for him to find this last frame so they can copy his work. I too would suggest everybody to simply move on with their runs, if they can't get that frame by themself. Hero, JXQ and Cpadolf are great examples here, as they didn't focus on single frames, but just moved ahead and finished their great runs everybody enjoys now. Who cares about single frames in them now? Nobody. Being dependent from other works in every single room and step is just very poor. Show some action with your own work, guys.
As for my run, I'm just too busy with work to efficiently working on it atm. But that really shouldn't be a concern for everybody as stated above. I'm too looking forward to see evilchens and moozoohs NBMB soon, as this is a really short and relatively easy run to make. But knowing moozooh, I'm pretty sure we won't see anything from him until he gets a perfect run to analyze and duplicate for his own in every frame of it. Please note that I'm not being offensive or anything, I just state my view on this, as it was shown many times already. Of course there is nothing wrong with it, but with such a style it will just take forever to finish a run.
IMO the best we can hope for atm is hero's new any% run. His WIP was excellent and he proved to be able to make his own runs in a very short time. Maybe he can clear us up on his progress status?
All other (moozooh in first place) are spending their time waiting for him to find this last frame so they can copy his work. I too would suggest everybody to simply move on with their runs, if they can't get that frame by themself.
Er, excuse me, this is exactly what I'm doing: working on my runs. First you want me to work on Ceres, now you want me to move on… I can't even get myself a consistent reason to be blamed for, wtf.
Saturn wrote:
Hero, JXQ and Cpadolf are great examples here, as they didn't focus on single frames, but just moved ahead and finished their great runs everybody enjoys now. Who cares about single frames in them now?
…Except you did? Like during the production of JXQ's v2 run, saying you were xx frames ahead, yadda yadda. And you also wanted to go back each time hero or myself found a new timesaver in the beginning, to implement it in your perfect run. Why didn't you move on and submitted it, instead of focusing on single frames? I'm not sure you're in the right position to blame people.
Saturn wrote:
I'm too looking forward to see evilchens and moozoohs NBMB soon, as this is a really short and relatively easy run to make. But knowing moozooh, I'm pretty sure we won't see anything from him until he gets a perfect run to analyze and duplicate for his own in every frame of it.
A load of bullshit. I'm taking my time because I (surprise!) want to implement all the timesavers I come up with myself, and it takes time and motivation. You, of all people, should know it.
Warp wrote:
Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.
Er, excuse me, this is exactly what I'm doing: working on my runs. First you want me to work on Ceres, now you want me to move on…
Well, you tried Ceres and didn't succeed despite many different strategies. It's of course great if you plan on continuing there, but in case it turns out to be hopeless I meant to better continue the run. Besides my previous statement wasn't directed to you, but rather general.
moozooh wrote:
…Except you did? Like during the production of JXQ's v2 run, saying you were xx frames ahead, yadda yadda. And you also wanted to go back each time hero or myself found a new timesaver in the beginning, to implement it in your perfect run. Why didn't you move on and submitted it, instead of focusing on single frames?
But the thing with JXQs run is not a comparison here. I talked about "single frames", not seconds like it was in that case. As to my run, the only time I wanted to go back is after the "hero shot" got discovered. You know best that I didn't plan to restart after the catnap/moozooh jump only, as they were pretty minor compared to that shot. As of why I didn't finish/restart the run yet, it's mainly because it aims for ingame-time, which as shown recently, is not a recommended goal for this site anymore. I just don't feel like putting so much work into a run that is not appreciated here because of that anyway.
moozooh wrote:
I'm taking my time because I (surprise!) want to implement all the timesavers I come up with myself, and it takes time and motivation. You, of all people, should know it.
I know. I just heard that you already reached green Brinstar in NBMB a while ago, and there was still no progress since then, despite Brinstar being a pretty easy to optimize sector, as there are no annoying slopes there like in Crateria. If you are both too busy as well, then it would explain the slow progress of course. Nobody ever said that though, so I couldn't know.
