Director39:
As others have said, give links to the pages where people can get the "full version". Credit the author, optimally already in the video title (just like tasvideos). Respond to people who are thinking you are the author / are asking for more details. Try to make the best conversion possible with YT's requirements: 320x240, 4:3 (e.g. add borders to GB movies), convert to 30 fps (no frame skipping for stuff like Super Metroid "shoulder pumping" etc, AviSynth can convert to 40 fps and then to 30).
FODA wrote:
And don't edit the avis.
...to misrepresent the original avi. It'd be a waste to e.g. include a boring intro when you can cut it and show more gameplay.
Zurreco wrote:
You have to have the permission of the original author of the runs before you can host them.
Why though? It's just distribution. Besides, if the author doesn't want the video hosted, he can ask to have the video removed. A preliminary permission seems overly restrictive.
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creaothceann wrote:
Zurreco wrote:
You have to have the permission of the original author of the runs before you can host them.
Why though? It's just distribution. Besides, if the author doesn't want the video hosted, he can ask to have the video removed. A preliminary permission seems overly restrictive.
Courtesy aside, even if it is free distribution, it's still an act of redistribution, which most primary creators hold all rights to. Sure, if someone didn't want their work on YouTube, they could ask that it be taken down: however, what are the odds that said person is going to be expecting their run to be online/go looking for it? It seems, to me, that the person wanting to post the run online should approach the person for their permission, rather than posting it and expecting that the author will find out/contact them if they want it removed.
Makes sense?
creaothceann wrote:
Courtesy aside, even if it is free distribution, it's still an act of redistribution, which most primary creators hold all rights to. Sure, if someone didn't want their work on YouTube, they could ask that it be taken down: however, what are the odds that said person is going to be expecting their run to be online/go looking for it? It seems, to me, that the person wanting to post the run online should approach the person for their permission, rather than posting it and expecting that the author will find out/contact them if they want it removed.
Why do primary creators hold all rights to redistribution? IMO this is a convention from the "real world" where redistribution was almost always associated with (monetary) gain for the distibutors. This is no longer the case with spreading information on the internet, provided of course that the origin is clearly marked and that the authors have no monetary gain themselves.
Afaik redistribution is allowed in copyright law under the "fair use" doctine. I don't know if the videos meet the criteria. :/
Of course it would be more logical to ask for permission first. But haven't the authors already given their permission by making the run public? They agree that tasvideos (or other sites like speeddemosarchive) can upload recordings of their gameplay, assumingly with the intention to have a large audience. Does tasvideos have exclusive rights for the videos? Is it implied that only tasvideos has permission to distribute the runs? I haven't found info on that in the FAQ.
Let's face it: Probably none of us first saw whatever was the first TAS we saw from tasvideos. Of nearly all the people who saw the 11 minute SMB3 run, they saw it on Youtube or a similar site. Very few saw it on Morimoto's website.
thats more likely to be because it eats the uni's upload bandwidth.
Nah, my school has this big anti-file sharing thing going on. I've seen flyers posted about it, bulletin boards, and even commercials on DVDs.
Why do primary creators hold all rights to redistribution? IMO this is a convention from the "real world" where redistribution was almost always associated with (monetary) gain for the distibutors.
If an author doesn't want anyone to see a manuscript he made, he has the right to prevent distribution of it, even if he has no intent of ever selling it for money. This is part of a concept called "privacy", which you may have heard of.
How fleeting are all human passions compared with the massive continuity of ducks.
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creaothceann wrote:
Does tasvideos have exclusive rights for the videos? Is it implied that only tasvideos has permission to distribute the runs? I haven't found info on that in the FAQ.
We don't have the explicitly exclusive rights, but I definitely feel that it is implicit. That could just be me, though. I know that I generally wouldn't care if one of my (not obsolete) runs was posted on YouTube if there was an official account there from our site, but if my work popped up on some stupid site like ebaumsworld or Twin Galaxies, I would be pissed off.
If people wanted their work posted elsewhere, wouldn't they submit them elsewhere/post them elsewhere themselves? Like, a lot of the runs on this site were also submitted to speedruns.net, so that shows that they are cognizant of other options besides us, and that if they choose to have more exposure, they have the ability to deem it so.
That being said, I don't know a whole lot about what is covered under fair use, or what fair use even isChamale wrote:
ver, I think it's safer to simply ask the authors if they're ok with you putting their work up elsewhere, rather than doing so and running the risk of upsetting someone.
Chamale wrote:
Let's face it: Probably none of us first saw whatever was the first TAS we saw from tasvideos. Of nearly all the people who saw the 11 minute SMB3 run, they saw it on Youtube or a similar site. Very few saw it on Morimoto's website.
Err, I saw it through nesvideos, way way back in the day.
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I acknowledge the drop in quality that YouTube offers but the convenience of watching clips online supersedes that problem for many runs IMHO. And ROMs and Emulators may be smaller but in my case I can't watch the playback full-screen, while videos can be easily resized. Of course, that's assuming I'm not on someone else's computer without the option to download and set-up software.
So I usually download the videos and I would enjoy a YouTube option from time to time. But for longer, really awesome movies I'd probably download them via the torrent anyway.
thats more likely to be because it eats the uni's upload bandwidth.
Nah, my school has this big anti-file sharing thing going on. I've seen flyers posted about it, bulletin boards, and even commercials on DVDs.
do they block normal downloads too?
No?
Then it's not a file sharing thing
Hm, about illegality.. I have my own ideals. I do what I think is right and I don't do what I think is wrong. And I don't care for laws and religious teachings. I'm just being myself and if that's going to get my arrested or killed, then so be it. I won't be a slave to anybody who wants to tell me what to do.
Just a thought, don't care about rules, live by your own rules.
To me, my life wouldn't be worth living without that. ^^
I think it's nice of this guy to even ask if it's ok to post the videos. That shows he respects the work of the authors, doesn't it? I think he should just send PMs to the authors and ask them case by case.
Everything will be fine. ^^
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Bit torrent implies nothing.
Hell, its the only way to get patches if you play WoW... so how does it imply wrong doing?
Thats like saying owning a scanner and a printer implies you are part of a counterfitting operation.
There are many, many people using many, many bit torrents, that are nothing but totally legitimate.
For the record, I started using BitTorrent to download TASes from this site, and since have gone on to... well... use it for... other things.
If you're not already a pirate, it's a gateway. That's all I'm saying.
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CtrlAltDestroy wrote:
For the record, I started using BitTorrent to download TASes from this site, and since have gone on to... well... use it for... other things.
If you're not already a pirate, it's a gateway. That's all I'm saying.
I used to use my fridge to keep my milk cold, and since have gone on to... welll... use it to keep my alcoholic beverages cold (along with milk).
If you're not already an alcoholic, refrigerators are a gateway. That's all I'm saying.
Nice try, but that's really different.
BitTorrent is like an emulator: yes, it's not illegal by itself, but would you really be using it if you didn't intend to pirate anything?
Twelvepack wrote:
There are many, many people using many, many bit torrents, that are nothing but totally legitimate.
And I'll bet you anything that next to none of them are the YouTube retards.
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You're blaming an awesome program for the criminal things that people do with them. That's not fair to the people who use torrenting for non-illegal things.
Next you're going to blaming speedboats for the fact that drug smuggling occurs on coastal borders...
Okay, okay, so Youtube is for sharing low-quality material at a dependably high speed, while Bittorrent is for sharing high-quality material at whatever speed the masses will lend you. Both can be used to distribute files that people don't want distributed, but in my opinion it's usually a losing battle to try to keep "copyrights" pinned down anymore anyway.
put yourself in my rocketpack if that poochie is one outrageous dude
I understand that BitTorrent is an awesome system and I understand that there are many, widely-used legal things to do with it.
But take a second and look at the target audience of TASes: Mostly kids, and video game freaks at that. Force them to use BitTorrent, and guess how many of them will go on to become pirates? Do you think that very many of them will be "mature" enough to restrain themselves once they discover TorrentSpy or MiniNova or whatever other site?
How many of them were mature enough to restrain themselves once they discovered the internet had porn? I bet you could count them on one hand.
Anyway, I realize this is probably going a little overboard from an argument to post TASes on YouTube.
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CtrlAltDestroy wrote:
How many of them were mature enough to restrain themselves once they discovered the internet had porn? I bet you could count them on one hand.
I'm not going to list any analogies that make your point moot, but I do need to say this one more time: you're still blaming the program for what people are doing with it. I can't stress this enough: it is illogical to blame an unbiased non-feeling entity for the immoral acts that people use it for.
Mostly kids, and video game freaks at that. Force them to use BitTorrent, and guess how many of them will go on to become pirates? Do you think that very many of them will be "mature" enough to restrain themselves once they discover TorrentSpy or MiniNova or whatever other site?
Oh yeah, TASvideos is definitely a school for pirates! We encourage people to engage in illegal activities by providing our videos using BitTorrent. Of course. That makes sense.
CtrlAltDestroy, please stop arguing. Your arguments are too good.
Exactly in which country is bittorrent illegal? I don't know of any.
I said it implies you're doing something illegal, not that it's illegal itself.
"Implies"? In which context is this "implication" any relevant? You can't be fined for using bittorrent, even if it "implies" you are downloading something illegal. Heck, I'm sure that at least 90% of *internet* users download illegal material, thus using an internet connection equivalently implies you are doing something illegal. That's not enough to sentence you anywhere, though.
