Posted: 5/19/2007 9:08 AM
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MikeRS
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Hi there, I remember playing this game a few years' ago obsessively, and thought to TAS it :p It wasn't hard (how hard could it be?), but since it's very late at night (2AM for me), I restrained myself from submitting it (I know how crappy my things come out to be when they're done late). Then there's also the fact that the game isn't actually that exciting to watch :/ Anyhow, I have a test run of the game, completed through $1,000,000. I believe I used frame-advance as efficiently as I can, and the game has somewhat strict input rules (it seems you can only input data *after* all the visual cues are on the screen (eg, green highlights on the answers, completely faded-in text, etc). What do you all think of it?
Posted: 5/19/2007 1:25 PM
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Interesting... Have you tried luck-manipulating to get shorter questions? It's a fairly common strategy for some games. I think it's a little disappointing about the input rules, it'd be funny to watch him decide the answer before anything comes up... But I do enjoy trivia, and 15 questions lined up was amusing for me. Question: When you made this, did you try to figure out the right answers, or just go A, B, C, D trying to find the right one? Best Millionaire Clip Ever
Posted: 5/19/2007 2:47 PM
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The questions seem to be determined fairly early (about right after you finished one), and I haven't quite figured out how to manipulate it. I'm not even sure if I'd save any time by manipulating it (well, maybe if I managed to force it to always pick a question that has an answer of A...). Also, yes I tried to answer correctly on my first time :) I only missed twice ($64,000 and $1,000,000). Looking back now that I'm more awake, I think I missed a few frames of possible input. Which means the next try should have entirely different questions.
Posted: 5/19/2007 3:05 PM
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I think manipulation shouldn't be TOO hard... But how do the questions display exactly? Do they slowly scroll or pop up? About manipulating for A: That would make a hilarious run. It's like, who rigged this game? That'd be as messed up as the "lucky rolls" Monopoly runs.
Posted: 5/19/2007 3:46 PM
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After watching the run, I noticed the game randomly asks if it's your final answer. I think the run could be faster if you manipulate Regis never asking if that's your final answer.
Posted: 5/19/2007 8:32 PM
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Best Millionaire Clip Ever
I clicked on one of the 'related' movies, and this was far more shocking to me. (Sorry for being completely off-topic btw.)
http://tasvideos.org/Baxter.html
Posted: 5/19/2007 10:03 PM
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Looks good, despite the fact I am not a fan of this sort of game. I believe that the shorter question manipulation is your best bet if possible.
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I clicked on one of the 'related' movies, and this was far more shocking to me.
You would think that if you read the description. However, the wording is actually slightly different. gravite = gravitates, not "orbits". "What is it that gravitates around the Earth?" Slightly harder to answer if your vocabulary is not so good.
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Posted: 5/20/2007 2:53 AM
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Even more confusing when you consider that French has a weirder grammatical system... That question could be interpreted as "What does the earth orbit?" or "What orbits the earth?". On-topic: Does the game always have the same sequence of answers or could you have the same answer, but sometimes the right one is D and sometimes A?
Posted: 5/20/2007 6:41 AM
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The game has a hard-coded list of questions with fixed answers. The answers' order never changes for a specific question. Also, this game is getting a bit puzzling. I can't really find when (and how) the game picks its randomness. It seems that the first question is picked before the name entry even (or during the screen), since I don't seem to be able to change what comes out after I enter the name by any amount of input (despite the full question/answers not appearing in RAM until later). Then there's the "Final Answer?" question that is probably determined during the question itself. I should first find how I made an A-answer appear on the first question ("What is commonly refered to as pigskin? -- A: football"), I didn't save that state :( UPDATE: It seems that the questions are determined two questions in advance, and which one is picked is based on the amount of time you spent on a question; pausing counts towards the amount of time, and you can still pause after you make a selection. (though moving down to answers B/C/D in some cases might still be faster than the pause method, counting the frames) Okay, this is helping me greatly with getting the questions I want, but I still haven't figured how it determines weather to display the "Final Answer?".
Posted: 5/21/2007 5:04 AM
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I think it's just random during the question (That would be the most logical) but I'm not sure.
Posted: 5/21/2007 11:27 AM
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If only I could find a video of it, but I think this moment best any millionaire moment, I have the orginal text for it. £500,000 question For the £500,000 question, he was asked: "Baron Haussmann is best known for his planning of which city? Rome, Paris, Berlin, Athens." Ingram: "I think it is Berlin. Chris Tarrant "I think Haussmann is a more German name than Italian or Parisian or Athens. "I am really not sure. I'm never sure. If I was at home, I would be saying Berlin if I was watching this on TV." A cough was then heard, which the prosecution claim sounded like someone saying the word "no". Ingram: "I do not think it's Paris." Cough. Ingram: "I do not think it's Athens, I am sure it is not Rome. "I would have thought it's Berlin but there's a chance it is Paris but I am not sure. "Think, think, think! I know I have read this, I think it is Berlin, it could be Paris. "I think it is Paris." Cough. Ingram: "Yes, I am going to play." Tarrant: "Hang on, where are we?" Ingram: "I am just talking to myself. It is either Berlin or Paris. I think it is Paris." Cough. Ingram: "I am going to play Paris." Tarrant: "You were convinced it was Berlin." Ingram: "I know. I think it's Paris." Tarrant: "He thought it was Berlin, Berlin, Berlin. "You changed your answer to Paris. "That brought you £500,000. "What a man! What a man. Quite an amazing man."
Posted: 5/21/2007 2:55 PM
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Man, I went away for Victoria Day weekend - only for a day - and a movie's been sent in and rejected! I think it deserved publication.
Posted: 5/21/2007 9:33 PM
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wow, talk about cheating *cough*
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Posted: 5/21/2007 9:35 PM
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If only I could find a video of it, but I think this moment best any millionaire moment, I have the orginal text for it. £500,000 question For the £500,000 question, he was asked: "Baron Haussmann is best known for his planning of which city? Rome, Paris, Berlin, Athens." Ingram: "I think it is Berlin. Chris Tarrant "I think Haussmann is a more German name than Italian or Parisian or Athens. "I am really not sure. I'm never sure. If I was at home, I would be saying Berlin if I was watching this on TV." A cough was then heard, which the prosecution claim sounded like someone saying the word "no". Ingram: "I do not think it's Paris." Cough. Ingram: "I do not think it's Athens, I am sure it is not Rome. "I would have thought it's Berlin but there's a chance it is Paris but I am not sure. "Think, think, think! I know I have read this, I think it is Berlin, it could be Paris. "I think it is Paris." Cough. Ingram: "Yes, I am going to play." Tarrant: "Hang on, where are we?" Ingram: "I am just talking to myself. It is either Berlin or Paris. I think it is Paris." Cough. Ingram: "I am going to play Paris." Tarrant: "You were convinced it was Berlin." Ingram: "I know. I think it's Paris." Tarrant: "He thought it was Berlin, Berlin, Berlin. "You changed your answer to Paris. "That brought you £500,000. "What a man! What a man. Quite an amazing man."
So ..... who was the contestant?
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Posted: 5/21/2007 10:03 PM
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That happened quite a while ago and it was big news at the time, here's the original page where I got it from. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2823407.stm
Posted: 5/21/2007 11:45 PM
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AKA wrote:
If only I could find a video of it, but I think this moment best any millionaire moment, I have the orginal text for it.
Maybe this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frQacbJ3RIo No, that's the question after £500,000… And a different participant too, according to the transcript you quoted. The Ingram in the video, got a different £1,000,000 question than in the transcript (portion you didn't quote). No video = Didn't happen ;) This is my favourite btw. http://youtube.com/watch?v=hr3tsMCrQgo
Posted: 5/22/2007 12:00 AM
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Bisqwit, the guy you linked in that video is a different person, the guy in that video is Ingram Wilcox, the other guy I mentioned is Charles Ingram if you look at the news link I showed you'll see that the pictures of the two people definitely don't match up.
Posted: 5/22/2007 11:05 PM
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Hmm, quite a subtle way of cheating, certainly wouldn't have noticed it myself.
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