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Super Smash Bros Kirby High Score Time Attack TAS- Comicalflop

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Goals

  • Aims for Highest Score in Fastest Time
  • Takes no Damage, Hardest Setting
  • Manipulates Luck
  • Abuses programming errors in the game
  • Genre: Fighter
For my second TAS I decided to do a High Score run of Super Smash Bros. for the N64. This is an extremely popular fighting game, which spawned two sequels in the two succeeding Nintendo consoles. Many people all over the world spent and still spend endless hours playing the 8 original characters and 4 unlockable characters, and the game's single player mode with an adventure to complete, bonus stages to get records on, plus the game's best feature of outstanding multiplayer gameplay of “cartoon mischief” made it a mainstream N64 title.
This run is a high score time attack using Kirby on very hard mode, with one life, achieving a final score of 2,554,881 in 4 minutes 13 seconds in-game time, 8m 8.083s (29285 frames). This beats the previous record of a tool assisted high score time attack of 2,419,243, which will be mentioned later. The reason that this is called a high score time attack score and not a high score run is due to the goals that were set at the beginning, and was discussed in the SSB Fastest Completion + High Score forum. To summarize, it was debated because in every stage that is played it is possible, with all the myriad bonus awards that can be gotten from achieving a certain goal during the stages, to get higher scores than what I had achieved. However, all of them were at the cost of time. There are three categories for a speedrun for this game: Fastest time, pure high score, and high score time attack. Each is competitive with its own goals; fastest time to get a faster time, pure high score to, no matter in how much time lost/gained to get a higher final score, and high score time attack, to get a higher score in a shorter time.
Kirby was chosen for his ability to get many bonus points, with a few certain attacks that are used frequently throughout the game. The bonus that arguably provides the biggest amount of points for least effort is Pacifist, which grants 60,000 if your opponent dies without you damaging him/her. Now waiting around for an opponent to die on his own on very hard with one life is not a feasible strategy- enter Kirby’s B move, copy. Kirby is well known throughout his games of copying his opponents’ abilities, and Super Smash Bros. is not different. Kirby will suck in an opponent, and copy their B move after he spits them out.
But the programmers that designed the game made it so that if Kirby sucks in an opponent and does nothing, he’ll wait and wobble a little as the opponent struggles to break free. Eventually he/she will break free, and Kirby gets launched backwards as the opponent escapes. The catch? If an opponent breaks free like that, there’s no damage dealt. Therefore, Kirby is capable of forcing a pacifist kill on an opponent, by sucking an opponent, falling down near the bottom of the stage, and spitting out at the very last moment. No CPU under the right circumstances can escape from that.
You’ll see this technique used in 4 of the stages, in the others different strategies are used for very specific reasons. There is one additional Pacifist kill, and in the rest Kirby attacks normally. Every stage was very carefully planned to get the highest score in the shortest amount of time, and I’ll go into length for each stage to describe what I did to get the highest score quickly.

Playing strategies

There are a few playing strategies that will be described here in detail.

Enemy Movement

This is, by far, the biggest thing about this game that could possibly make Kirby’s movements look like mistakes, but they are not. EVERY frame of input that Kirby makes affects the enemy’s movement. There is an incredible amount of Luck Manipulation in this game, which is used to simulate 100% randomness when playing the game in real time against an opponent or with friends. Every single move that Kirby makes was utilized to get the desired outcome from enemies; so if I take a few extra hops, run in different directions, move around in a sloppy manner, it was all carefully executed to get the enemy to behave in a certain way. There are certain strategies that didn’t work because an enemy would not behave a certain way, and there were others where you could consistently get an enemy to do something. But every Kirby movement, whether smooth or not, was done for a purpose.

Certain attacks

This run only uses a few of Kirby’s attacks.
B move, swallow is used to force a Pacifist bonus on single targets.
Up+B ‘cutter’ was used in three different ways: in Teams to use the sword to hit a weak opponent into the sky, against single targets to ‘spike’ them downwards, and using the wave part of the cutter as a projectile.
Down+B ‘stone’ was used to gain some vertical down speed in one of the bonuses, and in the last Team fight a few enemies were not killable with a normal cutter, so stone was used to greater affect.
Down+A Aerial ‘drill’ was used to rack up damage% on opponents, and is Kirby’s best form of doing so. Used in Mario Bros., Samus, and Master Hand.
Smash+A ‘smash attack’ this was used in only one stage to force an opponent with low% damage to be pushed towards the edge.
Back+A Aerial ‘backwards kick’ used only once to knock an opponent backwards over a lava pit.
No other attacks were used in the run.

Stages

The single player mode is set up with an ‘adventure’ consisting of 14 stages, 10 where you fight enemies, of which three of those are ‘teams’; three bonus stages; and a final boss fight.

Super Smash Bros Kirby High Score

StageIn-game timer endScore to beatFinal score
Link4:52110550110600
Yoshi Team4:26247770266000
Fox4:52368420386700
Break the Target1:46(14"37)428220447900
Mario Bros.4:50521371566111
Pikachu4:58652171697011
Giant DK4:55837921882761
Board the Platforms1:30(30"31)895121940761
Kirby Team4:3710205811079121
Samus4:4411189321201151
Metal Mario4:5812697311352051
Race to the Finish0:3713022311385551
Polygon Team4:0314124621529911
Master Hand4:3924192432554881
The Link stage is set on top of hyrule castle, and Link is the easiest to fight since he is the very first stage. Kirby disregards making the opening move and runs right past him, and takes a few small hops to ensure that Link runs towards Kirby at maximum speed. Then Kirby turns around and swallows Link- who struggles to escape, not realizing that doing so pushes Kirby off of the edge, and spits Link out one frame above the bottom.
Alternate strategy: It was considered to either grab onto the ledge and make Link kill himself, or to try the swallow maneuver on the left side. The reasons they didn’t work: Edge grabbing is more difficult to do then swallowing, and Link had a habit of not using his Up+B move to swirl over Kirby’s head. Any attempt to do a ledge grab strategy resulted in a failure and a slower time. The left edge is actually a slope, and the wobbling that makes swallow maneuvers possible does not work since the opponent wobbles Kirby away from the edge on slopes.
Bonuses:
No Item, Speedster, Pacifist, No Miss x1, No Damage, Full Power

Yoshi Team

The Yoshi Team is set in one of the stages from the N64 game Yoshi’s Story. You must face off against 18 Yoshis of varying color. The Yoshis are very easy to kill, since any throw or special move is usually a guaranteed one hit kill. For this stage Kirby exclusively uses cutter to send the Yoshis into the background, IN ORDER OF APPEARANCE. The bonuses Hawk, Trickster, and Yoshi’s Rainbow were sought in this match.
Alternate strategies: late in the run the shooter bonus was discovered, but it was realized that the Hawk bonus (all attacks are made in the air) is lost from cutter’s projectile. It was debated about using Pacifist here as well, but getting 18 Yoshis to kill themselves on very hard was not feasible.
Bonuses: No Item, Hawk, Trickster, No Miss x2, No Damage, Full Power, Smashless, Single Move, Fighter Stance, Yoshi Rainbow

Fox

Fox was the only successful ledge grab, and it worked out splendidly. Not much to say, other than Fox was kept charging most of the time and died earlier than expected.
Bonuses: No Item, Speedster, Pacifist, No Miss x3, No Damage, Full Power, Fighter Stance

Break the Target

Fastest BtT strategy was used to get the lowest achievable in-game timer, instead of actual time. Actual time was 14”37, which was found in the game files after the game was finished. Saving hundredths of seconds was not sought, because it would not increase the score, only seconds saved would do that.

Mario Bros.

Wow this was a difficult fight. It was determined that Calamity Brothers (kill Luigi before Mario receives any damage) and True Friend (your partner does not get hit) had to both be awarded. It was notoriously difficult to achieve both of these in a short time, but after many retries both bonuses were received. Many times I had to attack fireballs to ensure Pikachu didn’t get hurt.
Alternate strategy: someone suggested trying pacifist here as well- not very feasible.
Bonuses: Cheap Shot, No Item, Speedster, No Miss x4, No Damage, Full Power, Fighter Stance, True Friend, Brothers Calamity

Pikachu

As soon as Pikachu is done being my partner in the last stage, here I kill him humiliatingly fast for not helping at all. The programmers designed Pikachu and Metal Mario to die before you do, which makes the swallow maneuver very fast and easy- if you still have Pikachu in your mouth when you hit the bottom, he’ll die before you. This is used to get a 2 second fight.
Bonuses: No Item, Speedster, Pacifist, No Miss x5, No Damage, Full Power

Giant DK

Another swallow maneuver and a very hard one to do at that. Many times DK would still have time to recover.
Alternate strategy: edge grabbing worked in a previous Fox Fastest time run, but Fox was better because he could manipulate DK better by being faster. It was tried, but Kirby couldn’t get DK to kill himself.
Bonuses: No Item, Speedster, Pacifist, No Miss x6, No Damage, Full Power, DK Perfect

Board the Platforms

The fastest strategy for this bonus. Beats the world record by 0”12, but doesn’t matter since A) it is not visually provable and B) doesn’t matter because the score is only increased by seconds saved. I tried but it is impossible to catch that moving platform right after I land on platform #6, so instead I wave it goodbye.

Kirby Team

Kirby Team was tricky because they didn’t automatically die from any attack (although throwing came close.) Instead, the projectile part of cutter was utilized to get Speedster and Shooter bonus, which makes up for the lost Trickster or Hawk. It was very hard manipulating those Kirby’s to die, but in general if they were off screen they didn’t feel like floating, which is why I move around a lot. And of course, I kill them in order.
Alternate strategy: using Hawk + Trickster. Didn’t work because the Kirby’s didn’t go into the background.
Bonuses: No Item, Shooter, Speedster, No Miss x7, No Damage, Full Power, Smashless, Single Move, Fighter Stance, Kirby Ranks

Samus

I apologize to Samus fans, but she got completely owned this round. The Lava really ruins things for a speedrun, however I utilize it to snag two bonuses. I did 4 drill attacks (3 did not rack up enough damage, so this is optimal) and kicked her beyond the platform, then used a cutter to spike her into the lava, which was just enough %damage to make her go into the background.
Alternate strategies: not much, only tried to maker her die sooner, which wasn’t as fast or netted as many points.
Bonuses: Star Finish, No Item, Hawk, Speedster, No Miss x8, No Damage, Full Power, Smashless, Fighter Stance, Acid Clear

Metal Mario

Metal Mario is a real pain, because it takes 300+% damage to kill him, and for speed running he doesn’t move around a lot. Annnnnndddd…. He dies in two seconds!!! I was able to manipulate him to jump extremely early, and a swallow, plus the same programming error as Pikachu makes him die so quickly.
Bonuses: No Item, Speedster, Pacifist, No Miss x9, No Damage, Full Power

Race to the Finish

Kirby doesn’t have the fastest running speed, so I make sure that he doesn’t get slowed down by anything. 0:37.

Polygon Team

Wow this was difficult. 30 enemies to kill!!! I had to use cutter and stone to kill them all. Neither the Yoshi or Kirby strategy worked here, so I just tried to kill them as fast as possible while getting Hawk.
Alternate strategies: Both the Yoshi Team strategy and Kirby Team strategy were considered, but neither worked.
Bonuses: No Item, Hawk, No Miss x10, No Damage, Full Power, Smashless, Special Move, Fighter Stance

Master Hand

Ooooh, the big, bad, nasty glove of death!!! I make short work of him- at this point I hope you like the drill attack, because I use it solely to beat him in 21 seconds. There’s a lot of luck manipulation here as well, since I manipulated which attacks he’ll use next so that I can attack him in the least amount of time. In particular his “shooting gun” phase was to be avoided, as I had no opportunity to attack.
Bonuses: Hawk, Speedster, No Miss x11, No Damage, Full Power, Smashless, Very Hard Clear, No MIss Clear, No Damage Clear, Speed Demon

Thanks

I’d like to dedicate this section to psychoticworm for creating the very first Tool Assisted high score speed run of Super Smash Bros. using Kirby. He used savestates but no slowdown in order to get a score of 2,419,243. It was his video that was inspiration for me to use all the tools available to beat his time/score. Practically most of the strategies came from his video, and this run would not be possible without it. He was also a great help in the forum during the making of this run.
I’d also like to thank antd for his incredible work on doing the individual bonus stages TASes. He was the first person to my knowledge to experiment with Tools to see what is possible by TASing SSB by making individual bonus runs and creating many entertaining combos in practice mode. He was a great source of info on how to TAS this game and I eagerly await his Fastest Fox completion run.
I’d also like to mention all the posters in the SSB thread (because the run started November 28th and ended December 9th, so didn’t last very long):
Bag of Magic Food, for suggesting a high score run in the first place
Laughing_gas, for constant input and showing me that my avatar directly reflects my screen name
bkDJ for providing some initial .mkv’s of WIP; eventually I was able to make WMV and youtube link’s on my own, but his effort to make the .mkv’s is appluaded
And to all those who contributed with feedback/suggestions: Zurreco, Chef Stef, Thegreginator, Jsmith, Shadow Burn, Kitsune, Kirbymuncher, Macman, L4yer, NrgSpoon, DeHackEd

Truncated: This will be controversial no matter which decision is made, but here are the reasons for my verdict:
  • The movie has unclear goals - it does not go for max score, fastest time, or entertainment.
  • Very repetitive strategy.
  • Record number of No and Meh votes (but also a fair number of yes votes).
  • Published fighting games so far have gone for entertainment. This game does not offer a lot of variety, and as such, it is perhaps unsuited for a TAS.
Therefore, rejecting this submission.


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comicalflop wrote:
Those are all impossible to replicate the way I did in real time.
You mean improbable, right?
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well, I did get 2 seconds for metal mario in real time, but since fraps slowed PJ64 down it's kinda tool-assisted.
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comicalflop wrote:
the optimal pacifist kills (I beat the video I was studying by ~1 second for each pacifist kill); I got 2 seconds on Pikachu and Metal Mario; BtT and BtP were done in record time; Samus fight; all the Team fights, with perfect cutter placements; the masterhand hand fight. Those are all impossible to replicate the way I did in real time.
So...everything is not possible in real-time? Are the videos you were studying the pacifist kills from real-time, or also tool-assisted?
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They were tool assisted-lite. it used savestates, not slowdown, so it was in real time. So he redid levels over and over until he got the desired effect, but they weren't optimal. In the Super Smash Bros. thread he actually posts a link to his movie, you'll notice a huge difference between our movies.
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comicalflop wrote:
Those are all impossible to replicate the way I did in real time.
I meant tech-wise, not time-wise. Like, I know a human can't do a 30 Hz muscle spasm at will (and thus a tool-assisted movie will always be faster in such case), but if the technique itself is the same in realtime then it doesn't make big difference.
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JXQ wrote:
This game does not make a good TAS. It's repetitive, and the "suck someone in and fall with them" is boring. I see no reason to vote yes on a run that is repetitive like this, even if it "has to be", or if there are other published runs that are repetitive. (stupid reasons btw)
ditto to this. I didn't see anything extraordinary or that can't be done in real time (though difficult) More improtantly I don't see anything that would make this run stand out above the previous REJECTED submissions. Voting No.
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Doesn't the timing of sucking in the enemies have to be exactly right to get the victory the frame before falling off the screen? I think that's pretty impressive!
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Yes that timing is actually extremely precise. I have to move Kirby in the exact right postition and velocity, have him land at the exact right spot on the edge of the platform, and suck the enemy at the exact right time. one frame sooner or later for any of those three and the swallow maneuver would not work, either optimally or at all. About the "possible in real time" debate... (I'm not going to get into the entertainment debate, I just want to address this one thing because it is insunuated that a real time video can accomplish the same things that I did) perhaps it's not clear. psychoticworm's video was tool assisted by using savestates, so he'd do the same level over and over and over again until he got the desired affect. (Which I imagine what the very first TASes were kind of like. This also does not make it a "realtime" video.) A single segment High Score run, with no tools whatsoever, is not comparable to my run with the high accuracy that I have; psychoticworm's real time (no savestates) score is 1.8 million, which is 700,000 less than what I got, and very unimpressive from what I hear. psychoticworm's savestate video gets a 125,00ish less score, but you'll still notice HUGE differences between our videos. 1) practically everything in my movie is optimal. There are only a few places where psychoticworm gets a similar time to mine, and never by less than a second. And that's for already very short fights lasting no more than ten seconds. All of my fights are incredibly optimised, I don't think any fewer times in time units can be squeezed out of the very short battles. example: 2 second Pikachu/Metal Mario fights, 5 second DK fight, 7 second Fox fight, etc. It is my belief that nobody in real time can get any shorter time that psychoticworm's savestate video, and my stages all had shorter fights than that. Ergo, a real time video cannot beat my TAS stages. 2) All of the longer fights- the teams, Masterhand, and Mario Bros.- are SIGNIFICANTLY better than real time fights can be. I got way more bonuses in a much shorter time, because of using tools. And, in real time there is a 1/1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 chance that someone can get: Brother's Calamity, No Damage, and True Friend in the Mario Bros. stage. I got all three of those bonuses, and in 10 seconds time. It is not physically possible in real time to get anywhere near an accomplishment as that. Maybe one or (if lucky) two of those bonuses, especially on very hard difficulty, but all three and getting to within ten second in real time is not possible. 3) Luck Manipulation. Real time videos do not have the extreme frame by frame manipulating of enemies that I have. I can, on EVERY single frame, make an enemy react differently. This was done to make Metal Mario and Pikachu die in two seconds, and for the Mario Bros. to react JUST SO to not damage me, not damage my ally, and have Luigi die first. I also manipulate the Masterhand to perform the attacks that I can keep the damage going the best. 4) I nearly matched (as per my goals, I'm not miffed by it) and beat the world records for Break the Target and Board the Platform. (interestingly, and off topic, but this is what people wanted when nico's submission was rejected, and yet NO ONE commented on how they liked the BtT and BtP stages, despite having demanded that they be included. weird.) The BtT and BtP stages cannot get close to world records without playing them over and over again, and it is improbable to beat or match a world record in real time, since the real time world records required playing the bonus stages not in 1 player adventure mode, but in bonus stages so that they can be played over and over. For referencing, I made a Microsoft Excel file documenting the time differences. The score differences are listed in the submission text. You'll notice that for EVERY single stage I did, compared to psychoticworm's two videos: It was done in a shorter time A higher score was acheived. Both of which are the (*fuzzy* according to some people) goals of this run. Both of which cannot be easily beaten in real time. I hope I cleared up the "this can be done in real time" debate. I really took a back seat to this submission, prefering to not get involved in the many debates that arose from this submission, especialyl since heavy involvement and conflict led one of the previous SSB submissions to get rejected. (I'm sorry, but I read the entire thread for that submission, and the "rejected for repetitiveness and boringness" was an excuse for personal feelings that were hurt in the heated arguments in that thread. IMO.) I really wanted to sit outside the circle and see who would defend the arguments in support of me, which seems to be 74-84% of the people. (the range based on the opinion that the 'meh' voters didn't hate it.)
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It's not the time of the fights that can't be done in real time, it's the myriad of bonuses he achieves.
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Can we please stop saying that the tricks in the video are impossible? Everything can be done in real time. Nothing in this movie requires tools other than savestates. It's not like 30Hz movements were seen or anything. For the record, I'm honestly surprised that this movie's votes is considered 100% confident, considering we havent seen ~50 people state their claims in this thread. I understand that it's an arbitrary formula, but this proves that the concept of a confident vote can't be supported so simply.
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I'm not sure if I posted in here yet and I see that it still hasn't been accepted or rejected so I'll say that I liked it, and the goals don't seem fuzzy. Cf obviously aimed to have the highest score/second ratio, and while it might be possible to have a higher score, it would make the ratio go down, and would probably be a very different-looking movie. This one kept me entertained, especially seeing that Very Hard kirbys could be manipulated to not make it back on the statge after one hit.
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I've seen parts of this now. Here are my comments: VS. Link - That was it? That's not even hard to do in real time. VS. Yoshi Team - Really, what's so damn hard about using cutter all the time? This game cries for impressive stunts and tricks, not repetitive usage of cutter all the time. VS. Fox - Oh jeez, it seems this game isn't really made for TASing. BtT - Meh. VS. Mario Bros. - Okay, this was good. VS. Pikachu - Booriing... VS. DK - Again? BtP - Can do in real time. Meh. VS. Kirby Team - Same as Yoshi Team. VS. Samus - This was better than the sucking but not as good as Mario Bros. fight. VS. Metal Mario - *yawn* RtF - Well, it wasn't that bad VS. Master Hand - Can't watch it. Overall, voting no. Your goals weren't good, and this isn't that good game for TASing, really. And Comicalflop, I know you want to post a response, but I think you nothing new to say, so you'll just make another useless post. Good for you. And to all those who voted yes because this is an N64 game, HAHA. There is no need to publish N64 games because there aren't many published yet. Quality not quantity.
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ditto about the goal choice. Point/speed ratio? Nah.
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What I don't understand is why there are such strong comparisons to the real-time run. TAS's aren't meant to be compared to them; they are a league their own. Just because the real-time runs are fast, and this is a little faster / higher scoring, doesn't mean this makes it entertaining by default. Seriously!! Check many of the fighting game submissions and threads - this isn't something new.
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This should just be accepted or rejected. (It probably will be rejected I think.) There's more than enough feedback for a judge to make a decision.
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Guybrush wrote:
And to all those who voted yes because this is an N64 game, HAHA.
What on earth are you talking about?
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And Comicalflop, I know you want to post a response, but I think you nothing new to say, so you'll just make another useless post. Good for you.
What did you expect? Its his submission and he must (maybe must is a bad choice of action) more or less answer to anyone with questions and constructive criticism, which I doubt is what you presented when you stated:
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VS. Link - That was it?
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VS. Pikachu - Booriing...
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VS. Metal Mario - *yawn*
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Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
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I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
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I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
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AngerFist wrote:
Guybrush wrote:
And to all those who voted yes because this is an N64 game, HAHA.
What on earth are you talking about?
Some people just want new N64 runs published, even if they're not that good.
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Guybrush wrote:
And Comicalflop, I know you want to post a response, but I think you nothing new to say, so you'll just make another useless post. Good for you.
What did you expect? Its his submission and he must (maybe must is a bad choice of action) more or less answer to anyone with questions and constructive criticism
Comicalflop has already said pretty much everything about this run, he still likes to make useless post that tell the same things over and over again.
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OgreSlayeR wrote:
This should just be accepted or rejected. (It probably will be rejected I think.) There's more than enough feedback for a judge to make a decision.
It's been tossed around in IRC a bit. No one wants to reject a run with so many yes votes (though so few are explained), but no one wants to accept the run either.
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Guybrush wrote:
Some people just want new N64 runs published, even if they're not that good.
Thats a pretty bad assumption since apparently, a lot of people here found this run to be enough entertaining (some gave a few reasons why they felt the run was pretty good/ok) to vote yes.
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I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
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I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
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Angerfist, it is an existing phenomenon, though. Perhaps not explicitly mentioned in this thread, but there is a trend that N64 runs are getting lots of attention. Maybe because people want something new, maybe because the site is gaining popularity more recently, maybe because the Guidelines haven't been read completely, or are read and ignored, or are in the waves of an upcoming change, or maybe because they really are entertaining. However, here's an example of what Brushy was talking about. "Voting yes purely out of the need for more N64 action" Based on recent trends and some of these types of voting motives, I'm inclined to agree with Brushy's claim.
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Zurreco wrote:
It's been tossed around in IRC a bit. No one wants to reject a run with so many yes votes (though so few are explained), but no one wants to accept the run either.
It also has a record number of no votes.
It's hard to look this good. My TAS projects
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OK no/meh voters if the choice of goals was so poor then what should of been choosen, 5 bucks says no one in that catagory can suggest anything better. EDIT: JXQ, N64 runs are generally more time consuming to make becuase greater thought is required between savestates.
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AKA wrote:
OK no/meh voters if the choice of goals was so poor then what should of been choosen, 5 bucks says no one in that catagory can suggest anything better.
Pure speed. Many people have said that they preferred nico's Fox run to this.
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How about high score?
put yourself in my rocketpack if that poochie is one outrageous dude
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Or, maybe this is just a bad game for TASing. :O Edit: AKA, what's your point? Just because a game is hard or entertaining to TAS doesn't mean it's entertaining to watch. Check the Guidelines page.
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