robocop 2
lawnmower man 2
parasite eve 2 (it's actually a pretty good sequel, the disappointment is that aya looks like someone's mother)
duke nukem 'forever'
fade to black
super mario bros 2
terminator 3
secret of evermore (i haven't played it much though)
janet jackson
etc.
Warp wrote:
by default *all* sequels are bad, and only very few ones are even barely good.
there are some good ones like terminator 2, golden axe 2, chrono cross, vampire hunter d: bloodlust, shenmue 2, suikoden 2, seiken densetsu 3, sonic 2, ecco 2.
but usually sequels suck, for many reasons... it's hard to make good sequels if you try to do it too fast, because you already used all good ideas for the first one.
...
Oceans 11 (yes there is a film which predates this)
Isn't Oceans 11 a remake of... Oceans 11, and therefore not a sequel?
nfq wrote:
there are some good ones like ....chrono cross...
I've heard Chrono-Trigger enthusiasts refer to Chrono cross as something like the black plague. I haven't played either, but wondering why this is on the list, since Chrono Trigger is such a loved game.
Wait, is the question 'good' sequels, or 'better than the predecessor' sequels?
Plus NO ONE has mentioned Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi, or Revenge of the Sith (as a sequel to the prequel movies, to avoid the inevitable fight this will cause.)
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Best sequel, I would say is Terminator 2. Much better than the original, thanks to a higher budget, better effects, and a better script. Come to think of it, most of the famous lines from the Terminator series are from the second, or are quoted in the first and second (I'll be back, come with me if you want to live, hasta la vista, he'll live, get down, and others).
Aqfaq wrote:
The New Testament.
That made me genuinely LOL. I'm not religious, but I must say I prefer the morality of the "love thy neighbour" new testament compared to the "stone thy neighbour, if he picks up sticks on the Sabbath" old testament.
I've always had a secret liking of the two Matrix sequels
Apart from the last one :P
Whaaat? Reloaded was a dull effect-filled action flick with a lot of "deep" babble fitted in. Unlike the first one, which actually had some rather nice novel ideas and a very good execution of them (yes yes, I've seen Dark City as well).
Revolutions and Reloaded are passable entertainment, but clearly inferior to the first one.
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Seriously I want to talk about this Harry Potter nonsense. Who in their right mind thinks the last book isn't super mega awesome? I've never heard this before.
Seriously I want to talk about this Harry Potter nonsense. Who in their right mind thinks the last book isn't super mega awesome? I've never heard this before.
I was greatly disappointed in the series as a whole. Though, the last book holds a special place in my heart, simply because it ended the series. Which means no more will be written, and all the people that blathered continually about the series are gradually stopping, and finding other things to talk about. Which basically makes me a happier person.
So yeah, I'd have to agree that the last book is super mega awesome.
How fleeting are all human passions compared with the massive continuity of ducks.
debateabul whether this is a sequel, it's more of a planned continuation
Right. I don't think it makes sense to list planned continuations here. Which, by extent, also removes Godfather 2 (the book had accounted for this way before the first movie) and Matrix 2 (originally the Wachowskis were planning two movies, but there were so many scenes to include in the second one they had to split it further into two).
Warp wrote:
Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.
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Darkdata wrote:
Just Arg, I don't want to read about kinky 3 way vampire, werewolf and human sex.
Eh, I'm sure Comicalflop wouldn't mind =P
That's uncalled for. I don't like Werewolf sex! Too hairy. But vampire and human..... mmmmm....
For those who know Stephen Baxter, he wrote a 3 part series called Manifold Time, Manifold Space, and Manifest Origin. The series rocked a good deal; but Manifold Origin, the 3rd one, was the least exciting for me, due to the random inclusion of lots of Ape violence and rape, more confusing plotlines, as well as a less exciting premise for why Blue Circles are floating in the air.
I've always had a secret liking of the two Matrix sequels but I know a lot of people hate them, so I'll throw them in for everyone else in the world.
If I'm not completely mistaken, the Wachowski brothers had the entire trilogy drafted even before they made the first movie. However, because the producers and other executives were not sure if the idea would catch on, they made the first movie a bit more "independent" (in other words, not too tied to being the first movie of a trilogy), just in case it didn't result to be popular. (Because that way if the movie was not popular enough, they wouldn't be too tied in making the sequels.) The basic ideas of the first part of the trilogy are still there.
When the first movie resulted to be hugely popular, the two other movies were then basically packed together as a single sequel split into to movies (the third movie really is just a completely direct continuation of the second movie).
The problem is that the first movie was perhaps a bit *too* popular. It caused fans to form their own imaginary "Matrix universes" with tons of invented fanfiction. Thousands and thousands of fans formed their opinion (personally and some publicly) on how the universe of the Matrix, how everything works and what is the explanation for everything.
Naturally the original draft of the trilogy was different from this, and they made the two latter movies according to this draft, not according to what fans wanted it to be. Since the sequels were very different from what the fans had imagined, they rebelled against them and started dissing them. The sequels were not "their" sequels. They were the Wachowski brothers' sequels. Basically it was a question of "they changed it, now it sucks" (even though nothing was really changed at any point).
After the initial shock of the second movie being "different" than expected, it actually got some acceptance, when its idea really sunk in. Part of the disappointed fans started actually liking it, once they accepted that the universe in the movie, while not the same as their own fanfiction universe, was not that bad after all. Of course the most stubborn fans still diss the second movie, just because "they changed it, now it sucks".
Of course the same phenomenon repeated itself with the third movie: Now the new fans of the second movie, once again, formed their own opinions on what the final resolution would be, and since of course the real resolution was different (and to some a bit of a downer), they didn't like it.
One reason for this might be that everyone expected the third movie to explain *everything* in detail. Instead, it just left more question open than explained anything.
Personally I liked the entire trilogy. In fact, I own the trilogy. (I own only a few movies, and this is one of them.)
Whaaat? Reloaded was a dull effect-filled action flick with a lot of "deep" babble fitted in.
Matrix has never been about story,plot or any character development. Unless you're deeply into Chinese Mythologies then the chances are you watched them purley for the fight scenes. Off the top of my head one fight scene lasts 4 mins, another one lasts nearly 9 mins and a car chase at the end which lasts for over 17 mins.
Matrix has never been about story,plot or any character development. Unless you're deeply into Chinese Mythologies then the chances are you watched them purley for the fight scenes. Off the top of my head one fight scene lasts 4 mins, another one lasts nearly 9 mins and a car chase at the end which lasts for over 17 mins.
Well I never cared that much for the action scenes in The Matrix (okay I really like them and they definitely should be there, but they are not the reason I love the movie) and I still think that the first one is one of the 10 best movies ever...
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Bisqwit wrote:
Movie-wise: X-Men 3. I would have vastly preferred the whole film be delayed until Bryan Singer et al were available to work on it. Oh well.
Game-wise: Tetris 2. I'm not sure how it is you can combine Tetris and Dr Mario into one game and make it boring, but this is proof that it is indeed possible. At least Tetris & Dr Mario, Tetris Attack (Panel de Pon, if you insist), and Tetrisphere made up for it.
I never really liked Grandia III all that much compared to Grandia II. Mostly that's because the plot and characters are all stupid, and yeah they're stupid in Grandia II too, but G2 didn't drag itself out for anywhere near as long. And it had actual character development! Shock and horror!
For some reason a lot of people don't like Zelda 2. Plebians.
For my part, I don't like Metroid: Zero Mission. Yeah, sure, sequence breaks out the wazoo, but for me much of Metroid is in the ambiance, and Zero was far too cartoony. And the music sucked. There, I said it and I'm proud. Super Metroid and Metroid Prime 1 are the best of the lot at evoking that miles-into-hostile/uncaring-wilderness-with-no-backup feeling. Hell, the only time Prime 3 made me even vaguely uneasy was on the wrecked ship.
I guess it'd be a bit mean to pick on the Mega Man serieses. How in blazes do you pluralize "series" anyway?
Pyrel - an open-source rewrite of the Angband roguelike game in Python.
