http://www.gametrailers.com/player/29488.html
Who else noticed that the footage used at one point in the video was very clearly taken from a Zelda 1 TAS? (right down to the player entering his name in as "TAS")
Nope, it enters 'TSA'. TSA was a guy on a mission to claim all zelda speedrun records who once threw a hissy fit, then left with broken promises while others surpassed him.
He can still be seen as the creator of our OoT topic, where he made sure to show his name without actually contributing much.
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Tub wrote:
Nope, it enters 'TSA'. TSA was a guy on a mission to claim all zelda speedrun records who once threw a hissy fit, then left with broken promises while others surpassed him.
He can still be seen as the creator of our OoT topic, where he made sure to show his name without actually contributing much.
If he was no good, explain to me how his WW run still holds the record after what ... four years?
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If he was no good, explain to me how his WW run still holds the record after what ... four years?
I've watched that speed run overall it was pretty poor and TSA was more than aware of it at the time, since the game didn't really deserve any great attention to detail in the first place. There has been quite a few substantial tricks discovered since then so you'd be looking to improve the run by about an hour now.
If he was no good, explain to me how his WW run still holds the record after what ... four years?
as guybrush said: because nobody cared.
I never said he was "no good". He made a couple of speedruns a lot of people (including me) enjoyed.
However, he failed on several levels. He never even bothered to compare movement speeds, it took years of waiting and someone else to do a 15-minute-test to notice that backwalking is faster. Actual OoT-research didn't happen until the infamous thread at sda, where other people did the work while TSA waited patiently to reap it, continuously lowering the expected time of his "next run" on each discovery.
Then he noticed there was actual competition and he'd have to keep up. He struggled to learn bomb hovers and never managed to do the run he promised. His Zelda1-speedrun was beaten by sleepz, and he did some very ugly things to get him to reveal his route, because TSA knew he couldn't beat him otherwise. His ALttP-record was attacked, so he spread misleading information, hiding another run of his, basically doing the same things he previously condemned when he needed a zelda 1 route.
The reason I don't like him is because he was mostly talk, using other's work to his advantage while contributing little in terms of research, being a hypocrite not driven by morale, but by personal advantage, and he made claims and promises he never kept. Four character traits I just can't stand.
I don't know who is your TSA but the TSA I know did help me making both Zelda runs I've made.
In fact, he even posted several videos of bugs, which he has discovered, in the Zelda thread. And he even discovers the "enter through object" bug before Baxter. Though we didn't believe it and told him it might be caused by some dust in his cartridge.
So, stop that.
And he isn't even there to defend himself. Imo, you are lame.
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I don't care what you think of any of my movies Phil. I thought you were a dick before I created it, and still think you're a dick because of statements like "Imo, you are lame". And likely you will continue to be a dick for years to come. I have no preconceptions that you will change, but that doesn't mean you should just get away unscathed when you insult people for no reason.
And you think you're better? You think you're insulting me for good reasons? You think TSA deserves to be insulted such like that when he is gone for 1 year or so?
If you answer yes to one of those questions then you're acting like if you were superior.*
It's funny** that some guys, including you, are calling Phil, Saturn, TSA, PSXauthor, Warp and many others guys, they are acting like they are "superior or some sort of god" when themselves, they are acting like that.
Just the way you're making someone looking he is inferior by saying he is not superior and using other insults also makes you acting like you are superior.
*I'm using the same argument as you.
**Not really.
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Phil wrote:
And you think you're better?
Do you think you're better than me?
Phil wrote:
You think you're insulting me for good reasons?
Do you think you're insulting others for good reasons?
Phil wrote:
You think TSA deserves to be insulted such like that when he is gone for 1 year or so?
No. But I never said anything about TSA, I don't know him.
Phil wrote:
It's funny that those guys, including you, are calling Phil, Saturn, TSA, PSXauthor, Warp and many others guys, they are acting like they are "superior or some sort of god" when themselves, they are acting like that.
There is a difference between acting superior to others, and calling others on their bullshit. You do not seem to know the difference. And I haven't said anything about TSA, PSXauthor, or Warp.
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Tub wrote:
Soulrivers wrote:
If he was no good, explain to me how his WW run still holds the record after what ... four years?
as guybrush said: because nobody cared.
I never said he was "no good". He made a couple of speedruns a lot of people (including me) enjoyed.
However, he failed on several levels. He never even bothered to compare movement speeds, it took years of waiting and someone else to do a 15-minute-test to notice that backwalking is faster. Actual OoT-research didn't happen until the infamous thread at sda, where other people did the work while TSA waited patiently to reap it, continuously lowering the expected time of his "next run" on each discovery.
Then he noticed there was actual competition and he'd have to keep up. He struggled to learn bomb hovers and never managed to do the run he promised. His Zelda1-speedrun was beaten by sleepz, and he did some very ugly things to get him to reveal his route, because TSA knew he couldn't beat him otherwise. His ALttP-record was attacked, so he spread misleading information, hiding another run of his, basically doing the same things he previously condemned when he needed a zelda 1 route.
The reason I don't like him is because he was mostly talk, using other's work to his advantage while contributing little in terms of research, being a hypocrite not driven by morale, but by personal advantage, and he made claims and promises he never kept. Four character traits I just can't stand.
The first OOT run was indeed the first OOT run. Not much had been found yet, and guess why? Because it hadn't been researched. You're blaming TSA for not being good enough of a glitch hunter, and for not having the knowledge we have of the game today, which mind you has been hunted down by tens of people (even though 6 or so have done most of the work). It's like comparing the Gamecube to the NES - why couldn't they just have done the cel-shaded graphics from the start?
And jeez, what were you expecting, someone actually doing a speedrun for the good of the community? He took advantage of the things found by other people because none of them would actually bother to run the game. If any of them would have stated that they would run the game, I'm sure TSA would have just stepped aside. It's not like he was their captain and they his crew of glitch-hunters.
The fact that he never managed to produce this second speedrun is another story. I wasn't there myself to see the events unravel, but I'm sure he had a good reason. "Not being able to learn how to bomb hover"? Pah, so what? You're saying he was good enough for the "easy" run, but not for the "newer", glitchier run. What's the big deal? He just wasn't good enough, sheesh.
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[03:45:05] <Naohiro19> Soulrivers: ...
[03:45:19] <Soulrivers> ?
[03:46:35] <Naohiro19> <Soulrivers> No! <Naohiro19> So? <Soulrivers> Yes!
[03:46:48] <Naohiro19> joke
You're blaming TSA for not being good enough of a glitch hunter, and for not having the knowledge we have of the game today, which mind you has been hunted down by tens of people (even though 6 or so have done most of the work).
Now where did I say that?
I'm fine with creating a run as a starting point, then getting together and finding ways of improvement as a community. I don't mind creating a run, then watching everyone else hunting glitches as well.
What I DO mind is creating a couple of runs, waiting for others to do the research work without doing much yourself, then constantly boasting how you'll soon create a sub5.. no, sub4.. no, sub3.. sub2-run (as if it was HIS achievement), but never actually doing it.
If any of them would have stated that they would run the game, I'm sure TSA would have just stepped aside.
right, the self-proclaimed zelda-master with the repeatedly (!) stated goal to own the zelda world records on all games would do that. sure.
Then again, my time machine is broken, so we'll never know.
He just wasn't good enough, sheesh.
I'm fine with that. But I absolutely can't stand people who boast, make promises, but fail to meet them. Trying to get the fame for something you haven't even done yet is bad enough, not delivering after such claims even worse.
There's a fine line between statements like "I've spend a lot of time testing alternate strategies to make this run as fast as I can", "My goal is to own the world records of all zelda games at one point", "I hope to get an improved run with the new glitches done someday" and statements like "My run is perfect" or "I WILL own the world records" and "I'll do a sub-X-run, you can bet on that". It might be me, but I don't react kindly to claims of the latter form.
(I'm aware that one of these examples can be attributed to at least two other persons. Go figure if they're invited to my birthday party.)
why couldn't they just have done the cel-shaded graphics from the start?
TSA obviously did plenty of good things for the Zelda community, and it's quite possible that it wouldn't even exist in its present form or size without him being there in the beginning, but his legacy was severely tarnished in the last couple of years. Tub sums up his misdeeds pretty well. The biggest one probably is holding his LoZ and LttP videos and constantly mentioning them, thus discouraging interested speedrunners, while simultaneously admonishing others for doing the same thing.
cool. Apparently now I've said that I hate competition or fair competitive behaviour. Can't wait to hear what else I posted.
snorlax managed to sum up my opinion about TSA pretty well while sounding less attacking than I admittedly was. Well done.
Who else noticed that the footage used at one point in the video was very clearly taken from a Zelda 1 TAS? (right down to the player entering his name in as "TAS")
I wasn't paying close enough attention, though what did stick out was the fact that he was consistently pronouncing "ocarina" wrong (hint: the "o" is pronounced like the vowel in "odd", not "ode").
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TSA has done lots for the Zelda community, and is an excellent player. That is all.
Phil is an excellent TAS maker, and his Zelda 1 TASs were great. That is all.
I wasn't paying close enough attention, though what did stick out was the fact that he was consistently pronouncing "ocarina" wrong (hint: the "o" is pronounced like the vowel in "odd", not "ode").
Um... well it sounds better that way!
put yourself in my rocketpack if that poochie is one outrageous dude
