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SXL wrote:
You're a procrastinator, which is highly common among geeks.
That reminds me. I'm giving my senior presentation tomorrow (which is required for graduation). I should be working on it now. >_> Thankfully, at least from what I've heard, it's impossible to fail if you try even a little. Theoretically speaking, I could get a passing grade on the thing just by Rickrolling the class ~4 times, but I doubt the people grading would be impressed.
Anyways, what were we talking about?
Nach wrote:
I also used to wake up every morning, open my curtains, and see the twin towers. And then one day, wasn't able to anymore, I'll never forget that.
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Bisqwit wrote:
It is deceivingly simple: 1. Your sins are forgiven unto you; 2. Go and sin no more; 3. Yeshua* said: Follow me.
1) does it matter in what way? for instance... if a victim's family has forgiven the person who caused harm, is that forgiveness? In the same case, can the person find forgiveness (such as in god) if the family does not forgive?
2) ok quite clear
3) Do you think it's possible someone follows Yeshua without knowing so (or even without believing in him, or a step further.... believing he did/does not exist?)
edit: part of a sentence went missing making it horribly awkward/offensive
It is deceivingly simple: 1. Your sins are forgiven unto you; 2. Go and sin no more; 3. Yeshua* said: Follow me.
1) does it matter in what way? for instance... if a victim's family has forgiven the person who caused harm, is that forgiveness? In the same case, can the person find forgiveness (such as in god) if the family does not forgive?
2) ok quite clear
3) Do you think it's possible someone follows Yeshua without knowing so (or even without believing in him, or a step further.... believing he did/does not exist?)
1) It's about God forgiving the man's sins. Though it is possible that people hold grudges longer than God does, or conversely are quicker to forget, it's only God's forgiveness that gives them a life, and for that, #2 and #3 are necessary as well.
3) No. Using an allegory from the Bible ― Yeshua is a shepherd, and his followers are sheep. How can a sheep follow the shepherd if they do not even acknowledge the shepherd?
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332 - Der gute Acker
Der gute Acker. — Alles Abweisen und Negieren zeigt einen Mangel an Fruchtbarkeit an: im Grunde, wenn wir nur gutes Ackerland wären, dürften wir nichts unbenutzt umkommen lassen und in jedem Dinge, Ereignisse und Menschen willkommenen Dünger, Regen oder Sonnenschein sehen.
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
332 - Der gute Acker
Der gute Acker. — Alles Abweisen und Negieren zeigt einen Mangel an Fruchtbarkeit an: im Grunde, wenn wir nur gutes Ackerland wären, dürften wir nichts unbenutzt umkommen lassen und in jedem Dinge, Ereignisse und Menschen willkommenen Dünger, Regen oder Sonnenschein sehen.
Let me say this in the name of all of my countrymen: AAAARRGGH!
(even though you were quite effective in proving your point, you could have googled it)
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Bisqwit wrote:
1) It's about God forgiving the man's sins. Though it is possible that people hold grudges longer than God does, or conversely are quicker to forget, it's only God's forgiveness that gives them a life, and for that, #2 and #3 are necessary as well.
1) How would someone be able to tell whether or not God has forgiven his/her sins?
1) How would someone be able to tell whether or not God has forgiven his/her sins?
If you redeem and follow the path that Jesus spoke of, read the Bible, start believing in it and try to sin no more, your sins are forgiven. Jesus died so all human sins could be forgiven, so they technically already are forgiven. But you need to chose to believe in all that stuff, acknowledge Jesus as your saviour and God as your creator and all that, and live your life according to the Bible to make it all work.
Basically, your sins are forgiven, but you have the free choice to act as if they weren't and then that's the way to not get into heaven. No human ever is free of sin except for Jesus, but you can change your path at any time. Trying to sin no more and regretting and confessing those sins you still make and stuff. Jesus will take all those sins unto him, your sins willl truly be forgiven and at the day of the final judgement God will look at you and see that you're free of sin.
Something like that. >_>
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
1) How would someone be able to tell whether or not God has forgiven his/her sins?
Pentecostal people (among others) teach about the concept of "assurance of salvation", which is a peace in mind that a believer receives when they are taught the gospel and they make the conscious choice to repent their life and follow Yeshua. I'm not an expert at this topic personally because I've taken a really low-pitched slope to where I'm now, contrary to the steep one that most believers take. Only I know I have that assurance definitely in my mind.
"No one needs money, and you should not try to earn it, but, err, if you do.. then give it to other people. That's kinda makes them richer, therefore to some extent making them less willing to serve me, so you kinda damn them by doing so, but, eh, it's for a good purpose, right?"
[...]
It does not mean that you should immediately go and sell everything you have; that could be really stupid, because then you would become a poor in turn. It just means, that one should be obedient to God.
You're just fucking stupid, everyone hates you, sorry to tell you the truth. no one likes you, you're someone pretentious and TASes only to be on speed game, but don't have any hope, you won't get there.
Bisqwit, I read on your website that you are skeptical of extraterrestrial life; why is that? Considering how many stars there are in the universe, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that life would evolve on many other planets too?
And another question, I heard that you might quit administrating tasvideos some day. What interests you or what is taking up your time so that you don't have enough time or energy for tasvideos?
Bisqwit, I read on your website that you are skeptical of extraterrestrial life; why is that? Considering how many stars there are in the universe, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that life would evolve on many other planets too?
Because
1. life is quite unlikely
2. the distances in the space are such vast that even if there was life somewhere, it is of no consequence whatsoever to Earth
3. if biological life somewhere else in the universe had any consequence to us, I'm sure YHWH would have mentioned it.
Now, having said that, I have the feeling that mankind will get a "proof" of extraterrestial life within the next few years.
nfq wrote:
And another question, I heard that you might quit administrating tasvideos some day. What interests you or what is taking up your time so that you don't have enough time or energy for tasvideos?
3. if biological life somewhere else in the universe had any consequence to us, I'm sure YHWH would have mentioned it.
Does this mean that if it turned out that biological life somewhere else in the universe did have a consequence to us, that this would change your faith?
Does this mean that if it turned out that biological life somewhere else in the universe did have a consequence to us, that this would change your faith?
Mu.
Faith does not work with the scientific rules of cause and action. You cannot conditionalize it. Otherwise, it's just a theory.
EDIT: Much like love[1], actually.
There's nothing of real interest in this question; it's just a simple yes or no prompt.
Some people can look into it and find other details or perhaps hidden meanings, but as far as I'm concerned it's a simple question with a simple answer. Yes? No? Perhaps a third option? Hm.
Y/N?
Sometimes people will create huge spawling conversations over some of the simplest things, though even just the answer people give to a question with no real detail can say a lot.
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That's true, but think about the immense number of stars in the universe. There are calculated to be at least 30,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the observable universe. It's so much that each person on earth could personally own more than 500 billion stars to themselves.
By the way, I also wonder how you can believe in both Darwinian evolution and Christianity at the same time. For example, how would spiritual beings like angels, demons and souls evolve?
3. if biological life somewhere else in the universe had any consequence to us, I'm sure YHWH would have mentioned it.
It would have consequence for our beliefs and religions though. Because if there is extraterrestrial life, God would have had to send his son to die on all of those planets. I personally do believe in extraterrestrial life, and I think that there has probably been some kind of Christ-like beings on most planets. I believe in this kind of evolution: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_beings_in_Buddhism#Myth_of_human_origins
Now, having said that, I have the feeling that mankind will get a "proof" of extraterrestial life within the next few years.
That's true, but think about the immense number of stars in the universe. There are calculated to be at least 30,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the observable universe. It's so much that each person on earth could personally own more than 500 billion stars to themselves.
By the way, I also wonder how you can believe in both Darwinian evolution and Christianity at the same time. For example, how would spiritual beings like angels, demons and souls evolve?
I'm aware of the numbers.
I don't believe in Darwinian evolution, nor in Christianity for that matter.*
nfq wrote:
3. if biological life somewhere else in the universe had any consequence to us, I'm sure YHWH would have mentioned it.
It would have consequence for our beliefs and religions though. Because if there is extraterrestrial life, God would have had to send his son to die on all of those planets.
Only if those extraterrestrial beings have a unperishable spirit like we do, and aren't akin to animals; and even then, their history could be vastly different from ours, starting from the first deception, and consequently, so would the way God deals with them.
*) Many things Christian are founded in Rome and have no Biblical basis; and many things that actually are in the Bible (and that are YHWH's commandments), were discarded alltogether due to antisemitism.
I'm afraid this quesion has been asked before in this thread, but I'm interested to hear what made you believe in YHWH? I'm asking because I don't see any proof for his/her/its existence, nor against it, so it would theoretically be my free choice to start believing in him.
I'm not even sure if I want to atm, it seems to have both advantages (like a longer life) and disadvantages (people thinking you're crazy). Of course stuff like getting into some sort of heaven isn't an argument for me considering my very sceptic standpoint.
However, even if I would come to the conclusion it would be good to start believing in YHWH, I still wouldn't know how to believe in something without any basis whatsoever. I hear the argument a lot that if I asked for it, YHWH would let me feel it and make me know he/she/it exists. Lots of believers tell me that's what happened to them.
But how would I know? I mean if I suddenly got a strange feeling and stuff, I still couldn't know if it was YHWH, coincidence, my brain or something else that caused it. And then I'd still have to believe without any basis which I guess I can't. If I did I could just basically believe in anything. x_x
I can trust people without questioning what they recommend me to do. Mainly because if they did, and I then followed their advice and something bad happened, in the end I could still profit from it because it would have enhanced our emotional connection. I just don't see how I could blindly trust ideologies..
So what was it that caused you to do so?
If your answer is that you felt it, please also discribe why you chose to interpret the feeling you had in this particular way.
Thanks.
There are calculated to be at least 30,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the observable universe.
Now calculate how many of them might have planets capable of supporting life (the vast majority of stars are located very close to galaxy cores, where radiation is so immense that it would destroy anything even resembling life), and then calculate the probability of life forming during the current estimated timespan of the universe. If you do the math you will probably come up with a surprisingly small probability.
Even from a completely atheist point of view life in the universe (besides us, of course) is highly unlikely.
By the way, I also wonder how you can believe in both Darwinian evolution and Christianity at the same time.
I don't see the problem. Darwin never claimed that life began from one unicellular organism which formed by random chance (that theory came much later and is called neodarwinism). The core of Darwinian evolution is that species adapt over time to their surrounding by natural selection: Individuals which are less adapted for their environment die off without passing their genes, while individuals which are better adapted survive, passing their genes to their offspring. Differences between individuals thus get selected to best adapt to the environment, which is much like selective breeding.
For example, how would spiritual beings like angels, demons and souls evolve?
What do spiritual beings have anything to do with animals?
[URL=http://xkcd.com/384/]About calculating the possibility of intelligent life.[/URL]
Also, we don't know how probable it is that intelligent life evolves on its own in a solar system. The probability may lie anywhere from 0 percent, next to 0, to anywhere. You also have to take time and your definition of intelligence into account. Seriously, who are we to judge how probable a thing we know next to nothing about is?
If you take things like radiation into account, it seems you assume for no particular reason that every intelligent life has to be similar to that on Earth.
I don't believe in Darwinian evolution, nor in Christianity for that matter.*
Ok, I was sure you said somewhere that you believe in the currently accepted scientific theory of evolution which says that all known species are descended from a common ancestor (some kind of simple lifeform). What kind of evolution do you believe in then? I believe in the 'devolution' as taught by the Bible. It says that humans were created perfect first, but after the Fall of Man we have devolved and become dumber and degenerate.
Warp wrote:
What do spiritual beings have anything to do with animals?
Aren't they lifeforms too, like animals and humans are? That's what I think at least. I think we devolved and separated from spiritual beings and gods. That's what the Bible teaches.
Kuwaga wrote:
If you take things like radiation into account, it seems you assume for no particular reason that every intelligent life has to be similar to that on Earth.
I think there is intelligent life on all planets, probably even in the sun (and inside atoms too), lol. But not the kind of biological life that we have on earth. It's invisible for us because... we exist in a different 'vibration'
