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I re-did the first 4 bosses and shaved 4-5 more seconds off: http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/123833856/mmtwwtas.gmv Youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhQO6cfHt3g&fmt=18 (encoded with Windows Movie Maker FTW)
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kchrules wrote:
Elecman: No rolling cutter=SLOW boss battle, takes 28 mega buster shots.
Ah, but don't forget that you can use Super Arm a couple of times to do a little extra damage. I don't know why Frenom switched weapons more than once in that battle, though. I see by this chart I made that Hyper Bomb does more damage too, but perhaps not enough to justify the wait time between explosions. Hey, I noticed at the beginning of your new run that you shot the Screw Drivers more than 3 times. In this game, even the minor enemies have a brief period of invulnerability after being hit where they can't be hit again, so watch out for that so you don't waste shots. Or are you wasting shots on purpose for luck manipulation? Anyway, it's good that you're thinking of ways to destroy enemies early so that they won't lag the game with their attacks. One thing you should do as a courtesy to people who download your runs is to put in a new filename for each new run you start, and only use the same name if it's a continuation or slight fix of something you already posted. That way we won't have to worry about overwriting something unique.
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Wait! If I remember correctly, Isn't jumping constantly faster than walking? And how come you are using the European version? I'm just curious since I haven't followed this forum much.
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I'm not sure. I noticed that in the water tunnel in Dr. Wily 3 of MegaMan 1, you can run as fast as your own Mega Buster shots, but if you jump, you fall a little bit farther behind the shot as you land. So maybe you stop moving for one frame when you land from a jump... But Frenom had segments of continuous jumping, which didn't produce the landing sound effect, so maybe it also doesn't cost a frame until you actually go back into standing position.
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Wow the lag is terrible in this game. The game makes the run looks sloppy.
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Isn't it possible to manipulate the clear bonuses to be the minimum value? That would save time at the score tally. Likewise, it should be possible to manipulate the bonus object in Ice Man's stage to not drop (or to just avoid it). In Wily 1, you shoot a block with Elecman's weapon from a significant distance. Elecman's weapon creates massive lag. Could you shoot it from closer to reduce lag? Man, jumping against the Yellow Demon creates a lot of lag...might be faster to run through it and hide on the other side while it's busy teleporting? You have plenty of health to spare.
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In the youtube video at 1:29, you jump on a platform and it doesn't seems to be necessary At 2:45 : You get a bonus ball, I don't think it's necessary.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr0D492Cj9g Got some improvements done: -Iceman No point bonus pick up better boss tunnel -Wily 1 Lag reduced by a lot - Shaved off five seconds of lag :D
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about 5 more seconds of lag gone! Also moar wide screen ftw
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Currently working on: -Possibly the Wily Tower (Mega Man the Wily Wars)
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Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls: Mega man 1: SUB 21 mins! (now to get to work on mm2)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyMwBNz6KF0 Sorry for late upload MM2 wip soon
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Are you sure you don't want to look for more improvements on 1 first?
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Should you be at far left when you kill the enemies bosses ? Or maybe it doesn't matters because there's delay ?
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Bag of Magic Food wrote:
Are you sure you don't want to look for more improvements on 1 first?
I can still do that if you wish, but for now I might focus on 2
ZeXr0 wrote:
Should you be at far left when you kill the enemies bosses ? Or maybe it doesn't matters because there's delay ?
There's so much lag you want to be as close as possible when shooting
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Mega man 2 WIP uploaded to my tas youtube account, im updating from my phone so i dont have the link
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgTOjH2UhoU Whoa, nice dodging in MetalMan's stage! I greatly prefer that over the levels full of pause-hits.
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In the vertical sections, you're walking off of ledges instead of jumping off them. Wouldn't jumping increase your falling speed, getting you to the next screen sooner? It looks like the rate at which you hit Quick Man was a bit variable. You should be consistently hitting him on the first frame that he becomes vulnerable. I was going to say that you should use the Flash Stopper in Metal Man's stage for the crushers, but then I realized that just because you beat Quick Man doesn't mean you have Flash Stopper. Whups. Still, would it be possible to equip the Quick Boomerang during one of your damage pauses?
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Derakon wrote:
In the vertical sections, you're walking off of ledges instead of jumping off them. Wouldn't jumping increase your falling speed, getting you to the next screen sooner?
I'm not sure if that rule applies in Wily wars
Derakon wrote:
It looks like the rate at which you hit Quick Man was a bit variable. You should be consistently hitting him on the first frame that he becomes vulnerable.
If there are 3 Quick boomerangs on the screen when I shoot 3 Tornadoes, it causes major lag. So I want to be as close to him as possible while he's shooting
Derakon wrote:
I was going to say that you should use the Flash Stopper in Metal Man's stage for the crushers, but then I realized that just because you beat Quick Man doesn't mean you have Flash Stopper. Whups. Still, would it be possible to equip the Quick Boomerang during one of your damage pauses?
No. Why? Because I need to use my buster to shoot the snake like things instead of getting hurt since they inflict major damage.
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Well, if you aren't sure about something, you should find out. :) As for the weapon switch, fair enough. I take it the time lost to doing the switch later is less than the time lost to using the Boomerang on them and dodging the attack? Or are they not even vulnerable to the Boomerang?
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I should've payed more attention to this thread. I just saw your wips and they look pretty great! I hope you intend to submit it someday. Sincerely, Fist.
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Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
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I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
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I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
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Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
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kchrules wrote:
Bag of Magic Food wrote:
Oh, I just remembered to ask, did you find out whether it's faster to have Rolling Cutter for ElecMan or to have Magnet Beam and Thunder Beam for CutMan? Frenom's run went GutsMan-ElecMan-CutMan, while yours went GutsMan-CutMan-ElecMan, so you should be able to make such a comparison now.
GutsMan-CutMan-ElecMan Gutsman:3rd boss, goes down with 3 Hyper bombs. Cutman: goes down with 2 Gut Arms. Elecman: way faster, goes down with 3 Rolling cutter. GutsMan-ElecMan-CutMan Gutsman: First boss, no Hyper bomb, takes 14 Mega Buster Shots. Elecman: No rolling cutter=SLOW boss battle, takes 28 mega buster shots. CutMan: Slightly faster battle, the trick with thunder beam is pretty unique. Over all, even though I don't have the magnet beam early, it's still faster to beat Fireman First and go down the line of Robot Masters, weakness to weakness. Plus Fire Storm works wonders against most small enemies.
Dunno if weapon against weapon always is the best way to go when Magnet Beam is such an important weapon to get. Atleast TAS wise. I began to continue abit on my old run from 2005 when I first saw your posts to see if it really is faster to take them weapon against weapon. The route I take compared to your route.. and at Wily stage 1 you are 20 sec behind mine.
Bag of Magic Food wrote:
Were you able to watch any of Frenom's movies before the links went dead? I still have the ones from the 2/17/2005 post, and while they're obviously not perfect, many parts of that Rockman 1 run looked faster than yours. I don't seem to have downloaded the movie from the 2/27/2005 post, but it must be even faster. Here, let me re-upload the 2/17 movies at least
Huh.. can't belive that you accually saved thoose.. haha, nice one BoMF :)
Wheeeehaaa.. Yaaayy..
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Cool, you actually returned! So did you save that second attempt at Rockman 1 then?
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Bag of Magic Food wrote:
Cool, you actually returned! So did you save that second attempt at Rockman 1 then?
I'm anxious to see it too :) by the way- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtzW-zDqV-E How can I make bomb man just jump around instead of throwing bombs?
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