this sure is a huge time for the world of TASing, this glitch will break FOR SURE every run ever done before. But like MUGG sayd, I like when a TAS is entertaining, and fun to watch, using glitchs that makes the run intersting is really amazing, and makes a good thing to watch...I reather see the 100% TAS of Fabian then see 30 minutes of a guy braking the hole game using a glitch like this.
PS: I totally not saying that this is stupid or the guys working on this and discovered this are as well, pelo contrario, this is a huge discover, and totally goes on the porpouse of TASing, I really think you guys...how do I say....merecem...thumbs up ^^
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I would be very interested to see a run using this glitch, but I think a run using that glitch should obsolete previously published runs.
If some people fear a new run will take away entertainment, then what about Mario Land 2? The any% 21 minute TAS which I considered the most entertaining gameboy TAS on the site was obsoleted by the glitched 2 minute TAS which even had the wrong and monotone BGM in the credits. Either we are strict with obsoleting previous runs or we revert those past decisions, I'm fine either way but please don't make exceptions (such as introducing a seperate glitch category for SMW).
But the 100% TAS is still up for Mario Land 2, which shows off all content of the game without skipping glitches.
In this case it's being proposed that this will replace 100%, not any%.
I think your comparison is flawed.
The any% 21 minute SML TAS uses the same trick as the two minute SML TAS except that it only uses it to clear levels. It probably isn't possible for a run to exist that "uses a game-breaking glitch to clear certain levels, but does not use the same glitch to clear the game." There is most likely room on the site for an any% run not using the glitch. If you made an optimized any% run that didn't use the pause glitch, I would vote yes. (I'm not sure if the halfway point glitch should be legal or not.) I think the judge made the correct decision with the movie based on the nature of the glitch.
Chrono Trigger on the other hand was somewhat wrongfully obsoleted. The previous run was extremely outdated by inichi's no save-glitch test run. If inichi had submitted his test run, I would've voted for it to take over the any% category and have the glitched category separate. I think if someone submitted an optimized no save-glitch run today it would be published separately though. I don't see any urgent need to repeal this decision though.
I don't think Super Mario World 100% will suffer the same fate. I think that the new run will either be published in its own category or not published at all.
From what I understand from the youtube vids and explanations, I can't imagine a run like this would obsolete a real 96 exit run, because of how horribly boring it would be. I imagine most of the casual viewers would agree, and if anything, this would be published in a new category. Looking forward to rehashing that discussion again when this is submitted :)
In any case, predicting the future is hard as it turns out, so let's wait until the run is submitted. I'm looking forward to seeing it.
I think that the new run will either be published in its own category or not published at all.
It's own category? There's already like 5 different SMW runs on this site, if you include SDW/VIPs or other hack TASes of the nature.
Yes? Are you afraid that we will run out of categories? They aren't a limited resource. This would be significantly different from any of the existing SMW runs, and I think a new category is the obviously correct way of handling it.
I think that the new run will either be published in its own category or not published at all.
It's own category? There's already like 5 different SMW runs on this site, if you include SDW/VIPs or other hack TASes of the nature.
Yes? Are you afraid that we will run out of categories? They aren't a limited resource.
TASvideos has a categoryphobia and a subjective-entertainment complex. Don't try to reason with it.
I guess when the movie finds its way to workbench should be a good as good time as any to reason about it. I still believe this categoryphobia is unbelievable silly
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How does power-up incrementation work? I searched through a bunch of the previous pages to try to find if someone had explained it and couldn't find anything.
What I know is that power-up #0 is small, #1 is big, #2 is caped, #3 is fiery, and everything beyond that causes glitched palettes.
#4 appears to make a star show up at the gate when holding an item, and #106 causes the keyhole/goal glitch shown just previously.
But I can't find how the glitch actually works.
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Zowayix wrote:
How does power-up incrementation work? I searched through a bunch of the previous pages to try to find if someone had explained it and couldn't find anything.
What I know is that power-up #0 is small, #1 is big, #2 is caped, #3 is fiery, and everything beyond that causes glitched palettes.
#4 appears to make a star show up at the gate when holding an item, and #106 causes the keyhole/goal glitch shown just previously.
But I can't find how the glitch actually works.
Basically, the glitch is about crashing the game. By releasing a null sprite while on a revolving sprite like the platform (one that moves based on Mario), the game will encounter an error and crash. If done at certain points in the level, this crash will read a specific set of data and increase $19, among other values. Since you're not supposed to get $19 above #$03, the game will check the wrong data values when an item is collected (due to the way their routines are coded). Since most of the data they read are not in the regular range of actions, they'll often cause crashes, or errors like the keyhole. The randomness of these values has not been determined yet, but I'm currently looking through all.log to see if I can figure out what we're getting.
Hopefully I explained that well enough, I'm not the best at explaining. ^^;
Basically, this just means the keyhole and all that are a result of crashing the game. We literally broke the game with powerup incrumenting.
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As much as I kind of hate to say it, Mister's explanation is a bit wrong. ^^;
Also, I did a little bit more research on the glitch.
While he has most of it right, he's wrong about the error in the stack. The game doesn't crash because of "an unexpected program", but because the stack overflows. Since sprite IDs as high as #255 were not made to exist, the stack fills up with all those empty values (which there are only 245 of). To quote the SMWC:
BIG FAT NOTE: Keep the push/pull in balance. Otherwise the stack will overflow, causing the game to crash eventually.
Since the stack is never meant to overflow, and has no codes related directly to the stack, the game crash does in fact end up randomized, based on how many values are in the stack and what they are set to. When the stack contains certain values, however, results such as the powerup incrumentation glitch will occur.
In short summary, the reason the PI glitch happens is because the stack overloads, and while the crashes the stack causes are randomized, certain values will always produce similar results.
Now to figure out what values do what and how to control the results of collecting powerups afterwards.
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It is a shame to see you go. Watching the runs progress has been exciting.
With your permission, I would love to carry on your work. I've always wanted to do SDW 120-exit (for joint authorship, of course). Please PM me. :)
Oh, also, forgot to ask. Is it okay to post progress on Super Mario World ROM hacks in this thread, or is there a seperate place to post for hacks?
I think it's alright, considering TFB posts his SPW3 videos on here.
There's a few forums for hacks that are dead (along with only being like, 2 pages at most) so, take your pick.
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Super Demo World any% - SMW Hack
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Super Demo World All Exits - SMW Hack
Super Mario World All Exits
sorry my bad english...
- Finished projects:
Super Demo World any% - SMW Hack
- Dropped projecs:
Super Demo World All Exits - SMW Hack
Super Mario World All Exits
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So, I'm working on a TAS of a hack called Super Mario's Puzzle Project 4 (here's some of the progress so far), but I seem to have hit a brick in the road.
Basically, at one point, a break I'm trying to perform requires jumping through corner in a two tile space. This is a picture of the spot (I'm trying to get to the P-switch door).
Now, I need to know whether its possible to corner clip into there to get to the door. I did manage to corner clip once, but died because I was ducking. Is it possible to get in there without dying?
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Now, I need to know whether its possible to corner clip into there to get to the door. I did manage to corner clip once, but died because I was ducking. Is it possible to get in there without dying?
Just stop ducking after clipping the corner so you can survive.
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Mister wrote:
Just stop ducking after clipping the corner so you can survive.
Well, I thought about that, but Mario gets sucked into the ground without landing for a single frame (in other words, he can't stop ducking).
Also, Masterjun, that doesn't really help considering the situation I have is completely different. ^^;
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