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Knuckles in Sonic The Hedgehog TAS by JXQ

Essentials:
This run satisfies the following criteria:
  • Aims for fastest time
  • Takes damage to save time
  • Abuses programming errors
  • Ignores delays caused by bonus effects
  • Emulator used: Gens 9Z
  • Suggested Screenshot:
Here we have an impressive hack put together by Stealth, placing Knuckles into Sonic the Hedgehog 1. The game has been discussed here a bit, but you can find its official topic at the Sonic 2 Beta message board. All of Knuckles' abilities are preserved and are true to the feel of playing as Knuckles in other Sonic games with LOCK-ON TECHNOLOGY.
I worked on this run and my Sonic run concurrently. The games were similar enough that doing them together helped keeped things fresh in my mind, yet different enough that it didn't get too repetitive.
I suggest watching the Sonic run first before this one, because the Sonic run shows how the game was meant to be played before watching this run break that mold.
Times:
LevelTime
Green Hill 10:17
Green Hill 20:11
Green Hill 30:28
Marble 10:15
Marble 20:14
Marble 30:28
Spring Yard 10:20
Spring Yard 20:21
Spring Yard 30:44
Labyrinth 10:23
Labyrinth 20:26
Labyrinth 30:28
Star Light 10:17
Star Light 20:14
Star Light 30:30
Scrap Brain 10:21
Scrap Brain 20:29
Scrap Brain 30:13
Final Zone1:12
Points of Interest:
  • Green Hill 3 - The bottom route after the speed shoes does get to the boss faster, but not being able to hit him right away more than negates this difference.
  • Labyrinth 2 & 3 - Releasing the button while sliding on the ground gives a pause, which gets the ball rolling for some nice zipping action.
  • Scrap Brain 1 - Sonic's route with the zipping is quite a bit slower than the route taken here (Thanks to Ouzo for this route).
Thanks to:
  • Upthorn, again, for going above and beyond helping with Gens memory watching and even coding a special version for use in this run. He also pointed out several improvements since he knows Knuckles TASing quite well.
  • Ouzo, for a quality completed run of this game that I could compare myself against.
  • Nitsuja, for showing me some basics about Knuckles and spin-dash in the first level, and for showing me a faster method for Green Hill 2.
Enjoy the run!
Bisqwit: Submission file replaced from author's supply.
adelikat: This hack has been "officially" approved and the run is of pubishing quality. Accepting for publication.
adelikat: Delayed while author attempts improvements.
Truncated: Setting back to accepted, see thread for details.
DeHackEd: Setting to Publication Underway.

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Posted: 12/17/2006 9:36 PM
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Kitsune
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I will agree there. From now on I will look for a link to a hack if I can't find it anywhere else on my normal sources. So from now on, I will reserve judgement until I see it. ;3
Posted: 12/17/2006 9:46 PM
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Tried a different strategy, and it indeed was 20 frames faster. Could be even further improvement there. Good eye! And thanks for the careful watching, ZeXr0. However, I will save this and other possible improvements for a second version someday, or for someone else to obsolete.
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Posted: 12/17/2006 9:50 PM
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ZeXr0
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Wow I never thought that I could find some improvement on a TAS :P I just saw that the speed went down :P I kinda good to see that something it not optimal, but don't ask me to find out how to improved it. I think play Stepmania for too long makes my eyes see thing a little too fast :P EDIT : Take a look at 6:10 I don't know why you stop, then jump just before the check point ? Wouldn't it be faster to just jump over the block and then roll. Not sure if it could be faster.
Posted: 12/18/2006 12:19 AM
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I cant find the rom so i guess ill vote no.... Just kidding but uh... I cant find it seriously.
Posted: 12/18/2006 12:30 AM
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jaysmad wrote:
I cant find the rom so i guess ill vote no.... Just kidding but uh... I cant find it seriously.
http://www.s2beta.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=13&t=5379 This link has been mentioned in the submission text! :D
Posted: 12/18/2006 12:51 AM
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The submission actually just links to the official forum thread about the hack on Sonic 2 Beta. If you happen to find the ROM there, well then, that's a neat coincidence, because we're not allowed to link to ROMs here at TASvideos ;)
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Posted: 12/18/2006 1:21 AM
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I found it, watched it and loved it. Pure Quikness! From now on im playing this version, its much better in my opinion. Those glitches were nice too, made you save alot of time. Very impressed. I vote YES
Posted: 12/18/2006 2:17 AM
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This is a very respectable hack, almost seems like an official game. The variety that knuckles provides makes an old game new and exciting again. This movie has great execution and is very entertaining. Voting yes.
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Posted: 12/18/2006 4:12 PM
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Very well done hack, handling is spot on, and it follows the official formula invented for Knuckles in Sonic 2. Also, this run now has 43 Yes-votes, I think that's more than enough for consideration as an accepted hack. Can we get a verdict on this please?
Posted: 12/18/2006 6:14 PM
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Very well done hack, handling is spot on, and it follows the official formula invented for Knuckles in Sonic 2. Also, this run now has 43 Yes-votes, I think that's more than enough for consideration as an accepted hack. Can we get a verdict on this please?
GUILTY! ...wait, wrong verdict... (Also: Voting yes. Looks like I forgot to)
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Posted: 12/19/2006 4:30 AM
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FreshFeeling
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I'll try to convince 'em with my yessiness. Darn fine run.
Posted: 12/20/2006 7:07 AM
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Lord_Bahamut
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Voted yes for lots of crazy clipping glitches.
This guy are sick.
Posted: 12/22/2006 7:58 PM
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Please hold off on this publication. I've searched several places for possible improvements, all which were dead ends except for SY3. I will improve it and hex-edit the rest of the run together, sometime around the new year. I'm not sure if it will improve the game timer or not for that level, but I might as well improve it.
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Posted: 12/28/2006 7:49 PM
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that Ass-hole...... he voted no..... .
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Posted: 12/28/2006 10:26 PM
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L4yer
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... why have a poll if everyone is forced to vote yes?
Posted: 12/29/2006 12:10 AM
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In regards to this run's improvements...I don't know where they went. I can improve the area in SY3 very slightly, but nowhere near the 20 frames I found before. I also was losing a frame or two in the following areas due to I don't know why. Anyway, this improvement would not improve the game clock by itself, and I've decided to instead spend this time implementing the improvement in the other Sonic run, so this can be set back to "accepted".
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Posted: 12/29/2006 4:55 AM
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You are not forced to vote Yes, but you have to see the movie before, also, you must explain why you voted no. And I don't think that you should vote no only because and the game shouldn't be like that. Please vote on the run itself and not on the game.
Posted: 12/29/2006 4:52 PM
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ZeXr0>And I don't think that you should vote no only because and the game shouldn't be like that. Please vote on the run itself and not on the game. Not liking the game is a perfectly good reason to vote no. See the Guidelines. The question is if the movie is interesting to watch, and the game obviously plays a part in this. You are right that you should always watch the movie before watching, and that an explanation of your vote is always appreciated (even if it's a Yes). JXQ: Will do.
Posted: 12/29/2006 5:28 PM
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Last time I voted meh/no on a popular submission, I did not explain it for fear of getting personally flamed (instead of the normal anonymous flaming)
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Posted: 12/30/2006 3:20 PM
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why do you fear getting personally flamed? what's bad about that? isn't "personally flamed", and "bad", just a bunch of words on this computer? just some combinations of letters? so what does it matter what this binary-code called nfq 'writes'?
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Posted: 2/15/2007 8:36 PM
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This movie has been published. The posts before this message apply to the submission, and posts after this message apply to the published movie. ---- [796] Genesis Knuckles in Sonic the Hedgehog by JXQ in 14:44.95
Posted: 2/15/2007 8:49 PM
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Wow! I was still a newb when this run was submitted. I guess that the fact that it's a hack probably caused this slow publication.
Posted: 2/15/2007 9:51 PM
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I'm starting to notice that Kitsune is the only no vote on an awful lot of runs...
Posted: 2/15/2007 11:48 PM
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SXL
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it does not matter. people are free to vote whatever they want, whenever they want, even if it's not based on good reasons or blatantly break the rules. the voting system automatically takes care of this, a bit like in winter sports when the best and worst notes are excluded before calculating the average note in ski jumping or ice skating. no need to blame anyone.
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Posted: 2/16/2007 7:01 AM
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i found this movie rather dull to watch... going over the top is just boring...
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