• Uses FCEU 0.98.15
  • Aims for fastest time
  • Abuses programming errors to save time
  • Takes damage to save time
  • Manipulates luck

This should be my final submission for this game. Clocking in at 39161 frames (10:52:41), it’s 587 frames (9.78 seconds) faster than the run it obsoletes. Some of the time saved came from better precision and new or changed hits (I get hit 18 times in this run, 7 more than in the previously published run. 10 of those hits are new or are significant improvements to old hits) but most of it came from a couple glitches I stumbled upon, which I will explain below. I also occasionally pick up bonus point bags in this run. This is contrary to my stance against superfluous input, but I felt it made the game flow better in a few places.

  • Left+right, up+down+left and left+b – Only up+down+left is new to this run but these button combinations all have the same effect (though only for one frame per jump in the case of left+b). They allow Ryu to move at normal speed when jumping backwards. The addition of up+down+left saved roughly 300 frames. Left+b was only useful for grabbing walls from behind and has been replaced by up+down+left in this run (except for the victory dances).
  • Getting inside walls – This is accomplished by pressing right when the screen loads, before Ryu appears, on screens in which you start on a ladder. Then you can jump, and with left+right, grab onto a pseudo-wall within the wall in most cases. Some walls won’t allow this though, but pressing right will still move Ryu slightly inside the wall, which is slower except for in 2-1c and 6-3b. Abusing this saved roughly 180 frames.
  • Taking damage – Pretty self-explanatory. I saved about 90 frames by adding or changing hits.
  • Trap floors – Well, that’s what I like to call them. Landing a jump in some places will stop forward movement for one frame. This mostly occurs close to the edges of platforms and often can’t be avoided, but there are a few platforms with patches of these areas far from an edge. I saved 9 frames by avoiding these.
  • Boss timers – This is quite an annoying feature when TAS’ing this game. The timer will always tick to 149 on the same frame based on ranges of frames that the screen loads. This sometimes means that the screen takes 3 frames longer to fade out after the boss is defeated.
  • Falling through the top of the screen – This isn’t featured in the run and I don’t think there’s any way to take advantage of this to do anything faster but I wanted to mention it anyway. It seems to be related to Ryu’s falling velocity and I’ve only been able to reproduce it by taking a hit near the top of the screen. If you’d like to see it just stop the movie at frame 19699.

Act I: 24 frames faster

1-1
Interesting fact about this game: Ryu can’t kill anything with a jumping attack upon the first unsheathing of his sword; he can cut down power-ups though. That’s why I attack the air on the first jump. 10 frames faster here, mostly from grabbing a wall instead of taking a hit. I’m not happy with how I kill the 3 boxers at the end of the level, but doing it how I wanted would’ve made the boss fight 1 frame longer.
Boss, "Barbarian”
I bet nobody thought this could be done faster; I sure didn’t. If you kill him with one jump, you’re not doing damage for 18 frames at the peak of the jump. Two jumps = 17 frames faster, but I lose 3 frames due to the timer.

Act II: 124 frames faster

2-1a
I’ve hardly changed a thing here since my first frame-by-frame run, but I get to the next screen 5 frames faster now by boosting off the little platform on my way up to the ladder.
2-1b
3 frames saved here. Jumping off the ladder a frame sooner is the first, and jumping inside that funky platform in the middle sooner gets the other two.
2-1c
Pressing right on the frame the screen loads moves Ryu enough to the right to make the second jump one frame sooner.
2-2a
Nothing new here really… I kill more football players though. (I have nothing against people who play football)
2-2b
Here’s the first significant usage of up+down+left and also the biggest single improvement in this run. Going over that wall saves 93 frames! Oh yeah, 1 frame saved by pressing right when the screen loads too.
2-2c
9 frames saved here, and I even climb a ladder by holding up. Unfortunately that’s necessary since once I’m inside the pillar there’s nothing to grab if I jump off.
Boss, "Bomberhead”
He might appear to be taller than the first boss, but it’s the same deal again. 17 frames saved. I also wait 2 frames to press start here to save time later and to make an overall better looking run.

Act III: 37 frames faster

3-1
One of the few places where forward movement wasn’t lost for anything and I have to go and screw it all up, but it’s all for the greater good. I throw out an extra four shuriken so my power will be divisible by five and waste a couple more frames to alter enemy behavior in 3-2. 6 frames lost
3-2
14 frames saved by bouncing off a knife. (this is what the 2 extra frames in 3-1 were for) Throwing those fire wheels doesn’t slow me down any. With that sinbad out of the way I can jump a frame earlier since I don’t have to turn around first.
Boss, "Basaquer”
As much as I liked this fight how it was, it had to be improved. Using up+down+left I kill him 23 frames faster and save another 6 frames by ending the fight with 0 power.

Act IV: 37 frames faster

4-1a
3 frames saved by avoiding trap floors and 4 frames saved riding a bullet to the next screen.
4-1c
Climbing up the inside of the wall and getting a little help from a bird saves 15 frames.
4-2
3 frames saved by not jumping onto the front halves of mine carts. Killing that pumpkin-head with down+b actually isn’t any slower since to avoid killing him I’d be forced to jump onto the front of the cart.
4-3a
5 frames saved by wobbling up the inside of the wall.
4-3b
Getting inside the wall and jumping of the right side of it is 9 frames faster. It may not be pretty but it’s the best way to do it. Prove me wrong!
4-3c
Nothing new here, but I thought I’d mention that the hit here is one of my favorites. It’s pretty easy to take advantage of in actual play and is a pretty good time saver.
4-3d
I save 1 frame here by jumping off the ladder one frame sooner and 5 frames by climbing the orange pillars. Unfortunately axe-jerk’s behavior costs me 1 frame.
Boss, "Kelbeross”
Same old two-frames-of-input boss fight here. I press start 4 frames late for the same reasons that I waited after level 2.

Act V: 221 frames faster

5-1
One hit from a pumpkin-head stick is 12 frames faster than 2 hits from a bird and looks approximately one thousand times as slick.
5-2a
I pick up a couple power ups that for some reason I never grabbed before here, which saves a few frames later. Jumping over the wall gets me out of here 13 frames faster. It could be another 15 frames faster if I didn’t need the jump n’ slash.
5-2b
25 frames saved by getting inside the wall.
5-2c
14 frames saved by going over the wall to the exit. Bouncing off a different cannon isn’t any faster; I just wanted to kill more stuff.
5-2d
Numerous small improvements add up to 11 frames saved here.
5-3a
1 frame saved by pressing left sooner. 13 saved by going through a wall. 36 saved by going over a wall. Fun stuff.
5-3b
Saved 3 frames by getting off the ladder a frame earlier. Saved 5 frames by bouncing off a club. When I kill the last jet-ninja causes that club to be in the optimal position.
5-3c
Saved a couple frames by not using down+b and 37 frames by going over the wall. Taking the hit from the football player means I get over that wall 4 frames slower than what would be optimal, but to avoid it I’d have to pick up the invincible fire wheel. Not an option.
5-3e
41 frames saved by going over the wall. 1 frame saved by not using down+b.
Boss, "Bloody Malth”
Nothing new. Unlike like the first two bosses, the one jump kill remains optimal here.

Act VI: 144 frames faster

6-1
1 frame faster than the published run here since I don’t have to avoid an axe. I let a bird chase me around to try to spice things up a bit but 6-1 still remains the least enjoyable part of this run in my opinion.
6-2a
Saved 23 frames here by summoning a jet-ninja to carry me to the exit.
6-2b
24 frames saved by going through the wall. 9 frames saved by going over the wall with up+down+left. 3 frames saved by taking out the cannons with the windmill star (jumping through that part with jump n’ slash meant waiting 4 frames in the air to avoid grabbing the wall). Lost 1 frame by killing an axe with the windmill star but at least it looks neat.
6-2d
8 frames saved by going through the wall. Using the windmill star here doesn’t slow me down any since otherwise there would be no input on that particular frame.
6-2e
I save 12 frames here by finally taking advantage of a ridiculously obvious hit and 1 more frame by getting off the ladder sooner.
6-3a
Here I summon a bat to give me a little boost and get to the next screen 5 frames sooner.
6-3b
A new path means 28 frames saved.
6-3c
Getting a boost from the bird saves 8 frames and I take advantage of pauses between wall jumps to unload some excess ninja power I picked up in the 6-2d massacre. Also, 3 frames saved by doing stuff better.
6-3d
Identical platform to the one in 4-3 here, 9 frames faster. Unfortunately, without the jump n’ slash, I can’t get through the final gauntlet without slowing down so I grab the hourglass. Just think of it as the calm before the storm.
Masked Devil
Using the fire wheel here is 6 frames faster than the jump n’ slash since you can start dealing damage so much earlier. Yay.
Jaquio
Guardia de Mieux goes down an amazing 4 frames faster than before. 3 of those are because I waited too long to jump at him before and 1 comes from using up+down+left so I don’t have to turn around before making the second jump.
The Demon
This fight can’t be done any faster, but I think I made it look better than ever. The body isn’t vulnerable until 121 frames after you gain control. It doesn’t matter when or even if you kill the head (but it does tend to get in the way if you don’t). So I just waited to kill the head until as late as possible.

That’s it. I’d like to thank Slotermeyer for posting his WIP, which showed me some a couple improvements to levels 1 and 2 I hadn’t considered. This project was at a standstill at the time and those improvements revived it.
Enjoy.

Bisqwit: Awesome and what not. Processing :)


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Very nice. Voting yes.
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thats a lot of edits. i've never played the game before, but it looked like you thoroughly thrashed it. interesting ending it has. yes vote.
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well, for the record: YES!
It's hard to look this good. My TAS projects
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you amaze me. that was most fun to watch, and very impressive. the shortcuts were very smart, congrats!
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Owned with a capital P. I agree that the shortcuts you took were very nice. Yes vote!
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Post subject: Movie published
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This movie has been published. The posts before this message apply to the submission, and posts after this message apply to the published movie. ---- [562] NES Ninja Gaiden by Scumtron in 10:52.68
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Idea for a description:
Ninja Gaiden involves an ultra superior ninja, capable of defying the laws of physics by climbing through walls, while beating bad guys in record time. This run is about 10 seconds faster than the prior submission due to the ninja thinking more like a ninja.
And my thoughts on seeing this: OMFG. ...BRILLIANT!
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Hot damn.. Submitted and published at the same day :) Better late than never, voting a late yes :)
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Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
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I loved it. and For those of you whom haven't played this game, let me just add that It was known for it's difficulty, (as well as being the first game to include cutscenes between levels (it's a shame they had to be removed)), so it's especially entertining to those of us whom never beat the game.
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Definite yes. Awesome run. Video plays fine if you use the (U) o2 rom as well (fyi).
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Scumtron, you beat the records. I don't even want to ask how you managed to achieve this result, better let it rest somewhere in the domain of magic. :)
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Give this thing a star!
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Atma wrote:
thats a lot of edits.
that referring to the rerecords or the 30 minutes i spent screwing with the descrip?
Ninja Gaiden involves an ultra superior ninja, capable of defying the laws of physics by climbing through walls, while beating bad guys in record time. This run is about 10 seconds faster than the prior submission due to the ninja thinking more like a ninja.
where have i seen this before?
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Give this thing a star!
or at least a moon :) Happy to see this being enjoyed... maybe I'll set my sights on ng2/3 now.
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Scumtron wrote:
Happy to see this being enjoyed... maybe I'll set my sights on ng2/3 now.
Pretty pretty pretty pretty please :)
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Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
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Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
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Scumtron wrote:
Atma wrote:
thats a lot of edits.
that referring to the rerecords or the 30 minutes i spent screwing with the descrip?
[/quote] The 30 minutes you spent screwing with the description of course. If you only rerecorded as much as you edited, I'd be incredibly surprised at how accurate you made it with so few :P
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AngerFist wrote:
Pretty pretty pretty pretty please :)
Well, I did ng3 up to the end of level 4 after my first ng1 run was published... was roughly a second ahead of TheAxeMan's run at that point. At the time I think I estimated it would be about 2.5 seconds faster if I finished it. With what I know now, I'm sure I could do better than that... BUT barring the discovery of some cool glitch, a new ng3 run would probably be nearly identical to the published one, so the motivation is pretty low there. Also, in ng3 Ryu takes hits more like a Belmont than a Hayabusa... and abusing hits was probably the most enjoyable part of doing ng1. As for ng2, I played with it a bit since my last post here and pretty easily found about 3 seconds of improvement. Up+down+left works in this one too, but it's of pretty limited use since Ryu changes direction every wall jump. I do plan to work on this one eventually if noboby beats me to it.
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This movie is wonderful! It has bird-avoiding, ninja stars, bullet-jumping, walking backwards, unexpected glitches, wall crossing and boss-ownage. Plus, it is even faster than the previous submission by a whole lot. I have enjoyed the run the whole time, even though I had already seen all submitted movies since Blotr's classic. You deserve not one, but two thumbs up. Congratulations! A must watch, in my opinion.
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I think my favourite part is when the soldiers come up from behind in waves and you ignore them right up until you have to jump anyway, and take them out without breaking stride. Nice work once again, Scumtron.
Post subject: Ninja Gaiden Sucks
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So, working on NG2 motivated me to slap together all the minor improvements I've found in NG1 since the last submission and gave me a few ideas for further improvements. (None of them worked) Here's the result; I hate it. Yeah, it's still lacking the polish of a finished run, but I don't feel like screwing with it anymore and I don't think I will any time soon -- agonizing over every little frame is just getting old. Here it is anyway in case anyone would like to see the game completed as fast as possible. (Of that, I'm like... 80% confident)
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I can't seem to download the AVI from BitTorrent. There's apparently two peers with the entire file, but neither of them is sharing anything. I've waited for several hours; looks like the autoseeder isn't kicking in. Any ideas?
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That's odd, I just tried downloading the file and I have 9 seeders and 3 leechers. Downloaded in 1:23. Are you connectible?
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I can't seem to download the AVI from BitTorrent. There's apparently two peers with the entire file, but neither of them is sharing anything. I've waited for several hours; looks like the autoseeder isn't kicking in. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!?
What a poopload of sexual intercourse. Popped on to seed after reading this but I have 1 peer and 0 leechers.
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Hrm...guess the problem was on my end. I updated my OS recently (OSX 10.4 => 10.6) and Azureus, which I was still using for some unknown reason, got me the resulting behavior. I've grabbed µTorrent and it got the movie downloaded just fine. Sorry for the bother, folks!
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I have used Act 5-3 from this TAS and mashed it up with an Atlas Map. Enjoy :)