Hey Randil, do you think we should start a new topic for a complete Adventures of Lolo 2 run where we try to get the best times by competition on a few levels at a time?
Level and improvement:
1-5: 32 frames
3-2: 705 frames
3-4: 553 frames
3-5: 32 frames
4-2: 15 frames
5-1: 112 frames
5-2: 905 frames
6-2: 54 frames
7-1: 150 frames
7-2: 256 frames
7-5: 2 frames
8-2: 615 frames
8-3: 102 frames
9-1: 291 frames
C-1: 258 frames
C-2: 85 frames
C-3: 2389 frames
Total 6556 frames = 109,27s = 1 minute and 49,27 seconds.2-4: 59 frames
2-5: 16 frames
3-3: 73 frames
4-1: 41 frames
4-3: 128 frames
5-2: 275 frames (in addition to 905 frames as listed above)
5-4: 248 frames
6-1: 289 frames
6-4: 690 frames
7-2: 198 frames (in addition to 256 frames as listed above)
7-3: 86 frames
7-4: 114 frames
8-3: 59 frames (in addition to 102 frames as listed above)
8-4: 531 frames
9-1: 122 frames (in addition to 291 frames as listed above)
9-2: 698 frames
9-3: 26 frames
9-4: 38 frames
9-5: 37 frames
C-5: 500+ frames
C-6: 71 frames
Total 4299+ frames = 71.65s = 1 minute and 11.65 seconds.
Level: Frames: Seconds:
1-1 1019 16.98
1-2 1163 19.38
1-3 1530 25.50
1-4 611 10.18
1-5 1109 18.48
I looked through all levels closely, but didn't find even one single timesaver. I actually think that the levels on floor 1 are more or less frameperfected (except for 1-4 maybe). Try to prove me wrong! :) I'll get on to floor 2 soon.
Here is a run of 1-5 that saves 25 frames, and I wouldn't be surprised if there is an even faster way.
And about 3-4, could you post an fcm? Even if it's not perfect, I could get the idea.
edit: EDIT 2: I have done 3-4 553 frames (9,22s) faster, here's the fcm: http://files.upl.silentwhisper.net/upload5/rocky.zip Was this how you did it, hanzou?
Has anybody tried using the Rocky to cross the center of 3-4? I remember using that as a strategy once, though I don't remember whether or not it worked out.
Level 5-2. As shown in the above screenshots, a different strategy to save 15 seconds on this bridge/egg-float level: http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/276/Lolo2-5-2_southbridge.fcm. You can likely save at least another second compared to this demo run by making use of that extra shot and better positioning the floating eggs (see similar tip for level 6-2 below).
Level 6-2. The sooner Snakey's egg sinks the sooner it reappears, and waiting for the egg to appear is the biggest holdup in this level. Thus you should push the egg as far to the left as possible before floating it on the water.
I've tested and found that it can be put another full space to the left and still leave time to grab the heart, get back onboard, and shoot Gol.
Level 7-2. When playing this level on the console Leeper tends to be just an annoyance, but with some experimentation I think you could find a way to use him in order to save time on pushing emerald blocks.
Level 7-5. Two steps are wasted as you grab the last heart then walk over the egg towards the jewel box. Either grab the last heart and get back onboard the egg slightly before the egg reaches the end of the river, or switch the order in which you grab the last two hearts.
Level 8-3. In the current run, after shooting Gol you push him down three spaces then make a bridge at that row. It'll be less wasted walking for Lolo if you push the egg down only one space then put the bridge at the top of the lava.
Level 8-4. The current route involves twice waiting for Snakey to reappear and has 2 shots remaining in the end. You can change the route to shoot Snakey away earlier and make use of the second Snakey to get rid of all waiting time.
Castle-1. An alternative strategy as depicted below ought to save ~20 seconds.
Castle-5. Improvements on the current strategy: After shooting Leeper the first time, don't push him all the way down to Medusa. If you leave a full space gap between Medusa and Leeper, Leeper will have less distance to hop right before you shoot him the second time. Also, when you shoot the second time shoot as early as can be allowed, which means the egg should end up a half-space from Medusa's line of sight. Next, when pushing the egg down, you can leave a half-space between the egg and the wall before the egg hatches and Lolo puts Leeper to sleep. However, these frame optimizations are irrelevant because the optimal strategy for this level most likely involves a live Leeper. It's possible to beat this stage by relying on Leeper to hop down to the bottom when Lolo grabs the jewel box, and even if this doesn't time perfectly it could be significantly faster than having to wait for egg-hatching twice.
EDIT 3: I've redone Castle-2 with hanzou's strategy.... And I must be getting it wrong or something. I can only get it 15 frames faster. Take a look and see if I'm doing something wrong: http://files.upl.silentwhisper.net/upload4/C-2new.zip
STAGE START END FRAMES
1-1 1118 2139 1021
1-2 2183 3348 1165
1-3 3392 4924 1532
1-4 4967 5580 613
1-5 5623 6733 1110
2-1 7176 7924 748
2-2 7968 10460 2492
2-3 10504 11733 1229
2-4 11777 13369 1592
2-5 13413 14709 1296
3-1 15152 16853 1701
3-2 16897 18991 2904
3-3 19035 20007 972
3-4 20051 22363 2312
3-5 22407 24395 1988
4-1 24838 26307 1469
4-2 26351 27009 658
4-3 27052 29105 2053
4-4 29149 30158 1009
4-5 30229 31591 1362
5-1 32034 33175 1141
5-2 33218 36223 3005
5-3 36267 37865 1598
5-4 37909 39650 1741
5-5 39694 40233 539
6-1 40676 42617 1941
6-2 42661 44591 1930
6-3 44635 45738 1103
6-4 45782 48710 2928
6-5 48755 49391 636
7-1 49834 51416 1582
7-2 51460 54095 2635
7-3 54139 56222 2083
7-4 56266 58127 1861
7-5 58170 59928 1758
8-1 60371 63650 3279
8-2 63694 65227 1533
8-3 65270 66997 1727
8-4 67042 70387 3345
8-5 70431 72128 1697
9-1 72571 74950 2379
9-2 74994 76853 1859
9-3 76897 78429 1532
9-4 78473 80063 1590
9-5 80107 81796 1689
C-1 83655 85560 1905
C-2 85604 87827 2223
C-3 87871 91818 3947
C-4 91862 95080 3218
C-5 95124 97742 2618
Boss 97786 98195 409On 5-2, I managed to pass the water the last time a little smoother, saving an additional 5 frames. So the time on 5-2 has been cut down by 905 frames now. And I don't really see how you mean on 8-4... Could you post and .fcm that shows what you mean?
I'll look into 7-2 some more soon, I'll get back to you on that. Oh and hanzou, did you see the savestates that I posted?
And also, I've been thinking some about 4-3... On this level I wait for several seconds, and I'm just wondering if anyone knows of a way to avoid waiting this long.
I was hoping this might be the key to speeding up 1-3, but no such luck. It looks like the levels where this trick could possibly help out are PROB and more likely PROD. Baxter, please try it out when you redo the pro levels. On PROD in particular, this allows Lolo to grab one of the hearts without giving up a shot, so later you can use the shot on an Alma to quickly grab one of the bottom hearts. An overall faster strategy might even involve using Alma eggs to grab both of the bottom hearts. Good luck!
-hanzouCastle-5. Improvements on the current strategy: After shooting Leeper the first time, don't push him all the way down to Medusa. If you leave a full space gap between Medusa and Leeper, Leeper will have less distance to hop right before you shoot him the second time. Also, when you shoot the second time shoot as early as can be allowed, which means the egg should end up a half-space from Medusa's line of sight. Next, when pushing the egg down, you can leave a half-space between the egg and the wall before the egg hatches and Lolo puts Leeper to sleep. However, these frame optimizations are irrelevant because the optimal strategy for this level most likely involves a live Leeper. It's possible to beat this stage by relying on Leeper to hop down to the bottom when Lolo grabs the jewel box, and even if this doesn't time perfectly it could be significantly faster than having to wait for egg-hatching twice.