Please replace the BK2 in this submission with the following 6-second improvement
The Intellivision 25 Video Game System was a cheap plug and play system featuring a compilation of what I like to call "demastered" Intellivision games, and was actually licensed by Intellivision themselves. I don't know why they decided to go this route instead of just re-releasing some of the originals like they did later with the Intellivision Flashback. Too expensive at the time? Anyway, the system consists of some stripped-down NES hardware, otherwise known as "Famiclone" or "NES-on-a-chip", all contained within the controller. Many of the games in this collection are believed to have been made by Nice Code Software.
Thunder Castle is the 20th game on this compilation and it is NOTHING like the original. It is full of bugs and the third stage is missing!

Objectives

  • Heavy luck manipulation
  • Genre: Action

Items

The items you can actually use work a little differently from the original game, and you can carry items across multiple stages and lives:
  • Ring: Teleports knight to a random location in the maze
  • Grail: Energizes knight when used
  • Necklace: Speeds knight up for few seconds (speed stacks when multiple are used)

Enemies

Dragons and wizards generally try to take the shortest path towards the player, and run away when the player is energized. The player is energized when touching a bat in stage 1, touching the rat in stage 2, or using a grail. Dragons and wizards can be slain while the player is energized. Slay the 3 dragons in stage 1 and you'll move on to stage 2. Slay the 6 wizards in stage 2 and you beat the game. Each enemy you slay causes you to lose your energized state, so I am unable kill the yellow and red dragons in stage 1 with one energize, for instance.
Now, slaying enemies in stage 2 is... interesting. The stage itself reloads for each enemy you slay. I don't know why it is programmed in this backwards way, but it leads to some interesting strategies. With six wizards to slay, beating stage 2 therefore requires six stage loads but is there a faster way to beat this? Well, I tried corralling both wizards onto the same square and seeing if I could slay both of them on the same frame. Maybe then I could reduce this to just three stage loads, but NOPE that didn't work! I even tried re-energizing and that didn't work either. Evidently, the other wizard becomes invulnerable once it has detected the other has been slain.

Stage Manipulation

To get a stage layout you want, basically you need to wait a few frames before slaying the enemy of the previously loaded stage. Items that spawn within a stage can be further manipulated by delaying when you proceeed from the stage's title card.
There are three different maze layouts for stage 1 and 2. Getting the right stage 1 layout and item spawns is trivial; just wait extra frames on the title screen. The transition from stage 1 to 2 operates on some huge several-hundred frames long frame-rule system, and I was able to save an extra frame rule over what i thought was best, thanks to collecting a necklace which gave me just enough extra speed to do so. For stage 2, there is one layout that is miles better than the others. For one, the layout in question gives us very quick access to touching the rat, which allows slaying the upper-right wizard very quickly each time. To slay the lower-left wizard, it is fastest to pull off a magic trick and teleport to him using rings we pick up, and making sure the knight can be energized when doing so! We can also end input very early with the last lower-left wizard, well before he finishes walking up the long vertical corridor and waiting for the trap wall to disappear.

nymx: Claiming for judging.
nymx: Even with your description, it was kind of hard to follow what was going on. After I looked at your other version (Intellivision), I kinda see the goals now. Well, I can't argue with your optimization, seeing that nothing stands out. In fact, your strategies look extremely advanced...which could be a result of the heavy RNG that you mentioned. They are obviously beyond me.
I like these older classics, and I look forward to more.
Accepting to Standard.

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nymx: Setting to delayed. I will get to this when I get back home from work.
nymx: Checked out the improvements. The big changes seems to come mostly from a new line of RNG from delaying the start of the game. I still have a hard time following what is going on. In fact, I had a discussion with another staff member they were pretty much in the same mindset. Its obvious that you know this game very well to be able to make it operate this way.
Again, good job. Publisher...you may continue.

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"demastered" Intellivision games
You can say that again, compare this lackluster "port" to the original game in action. I don't really understand why bother TASing this version when the original runs fine in BizHawk...
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Yes, standard runs are needed and very appreciated here too
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Me and the boys starting over our games of choice for the infinityieth time in a row because of just-found optimizations
^ Why I don't have any submissions despite being on the forums for years now...
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Alright everyone breaking news, I just cooked up a giant 6-second improvement to this today! I know publishing is already underway so if it is too late to replace the file, just let me know and I'll make an entirely new submission. Link: https://tasvideos.org/UserFiles/Info/638493564966079454
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I made a comparison to show the differences here. Link to video
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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This movie has been published. The posts before this message apply to the submission, and posts after this message apply to the published movie. ---- [5919] NES Thunder Castle by Winslinator in 00:36.62