Finally i made a any% TAS of Sonic & Knuckles
REAL TIME: 11:56.36
  • Aims for fastest time
  • Heavy Glitch Abuse
  • Uses death to save time
  • Take damage to save time
  • Heavy luck manipulation
In-game Time Table
ActNew TimeOld Time
Mushroom Hill 10:50.060:51.07
Mushroom Hill 20:51.170:56.38
Flying Battery 10:38.130:42.49
Flying Battery 21:10.13
Sandopolis 11:11.111:11.13
Sandopolis 21:34.121:36.48
Lava Reef 10:44.370:46.xx
Lava Reef 20:21.440:21.57
Hidden Palace0:08.11
Sky Sanctuary0:57.08
Very Thanks to
DMTM & S3KGlitches for possible glitches
LTRP for the Lava Reef 1 zip route
Upthorn for his amazing 100% Sonic 3 & Knuckles TAS
Screenshot suggested: Frame 37499
Enjoy the video

feos: Accepting for Moons and publishing... If the S3K version of this TAS comes out, it may obsolete this one.
feos: "any%" isn't needed when the branch is fastest.


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I don't get why this run should automatically go to the Vault *if* it gets accepted. The Vault is for boring but optimal runs or just bad games, not for "wrong" versions of popular games. It's like the any% of Super Mario Bros. Deluxe, I don't understand why that version of SMB seems to be that much more uninteresting that it deserves a place in the Vault. Well, in this case here you could at least argue that it isn't as entertaining because it has less content.
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supersonicjc wrote:
if you think of it S3&K unless you get a hacked rom in itself you have to have an emulator to do that lock on feature to begin with.
Uhhh... what? "Lock-on Technology" just treats the slave game as a secondary ROM bank. Concatenating the ROMs does exactly this. You don't have to hack anything. Also, from how you worded it, you made it sound like S3&K wasn't possible to do on console without a flash cart or repro.
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This was a lot better than I expected. Yes vote, suggestion Moons, and also suggesting that a Knuckles any% done on S3&K obsolete this.
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boct1584 wrote:
Yes vote, suggestion Moons, and also suggesting that a Knuckles any% done on S3&K obsolete this.
I agree, although that's heavily dependent on whether the version differences are small enough to make this run redundant to S3&K. Can a run be demoted to the vault? I'm not adamant that this run be placed there, but I just see it as its most fitting long-term destination.
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Bobo the King wrote:
boct1584 wrote:
Yes vote, suggestion Moons, and also suggesting that a Knuckles any% done on S3&K obsolete this.
I agree, although that's heavily dependent on whether the version differences are small enough to make this run redundant to S3&K. Can a run be demoted to the vault? I'm not adamant that this run be placed there, but I just see it as its most fitting long-term destination.
Uh...I'm not sure about the situation here, but:
Games on multi-carts are acceptable unless there is a standalone version available. (For instance, Duck Hunt is okay, but not Duck Hunt on the Mario/Duck Hunt combo cart.)
Is that the case here?
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Games on multi-carts are acceptable unless there is a standalone version available. (For instance, Duck Hunt is okay, but not Duck Hunt on the Mario/Duck Hunt combo cart.)
Is that the case here?[/quote] No. S3, S&K, and S3&K are all very different games. That rule would apply if, say, Sonic 3 Complete were an official release.
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Instead of abusing the monitor between MHZ1 and MHZ2 for glitching the music, I would abuse it for switching to running state.
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jlun2 wrote:
Uh...I'm not sure about the situation here, but:
Games on multi-carts are acceptable unless there is a standalone version available. (For instance, Duck Hunt is okay, but not Duck Hunt on the Mario/Duck Hunt combo cart.)
Is that the case here?
The situation here is that you can place a Sonic 3 cart and a Sonic & Knuckles cart into your console simultaneously, creating a different game from either, called "Sonic 3 & Knuckles". It basically contains the levels from Sonic & Knuckles, with some modified versions of the levels from Sonic 3 before them, and all the characters from both games. Sonic 3 is more different from the first half of Sonic 3 & Knuckles, than Sonic & Knuckles is from the second half of Sonic 3 & Knuckles. The combined game is quite similar to the concatenation of the original games, though.
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Captain Obvious in the discussion! :)
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boct1584 wrote:
Yes vote, suggestion Moons, and also suggesting that a Knuckles any% done on S3&K obsolete this.
I'm going to judge this applying the quoted proposal. People in this thread prove that the impression of S3K and SK is nearly the same, just S3K is better. But this run is good too, so Moons. Any more opinions?
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Well, I guess my original question still stands: Can a run be demoted to the Vault?
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In theory, yes. In this case - I don't know.
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I'm more than comfortable crossing that bridge when we come to it.
Post subject: Movie published
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This movie has been published. The posts before this message apply to the submission, and posts after this message apply to the published movie. ---- [2486] Genesis Sonic & Knuckles "Knuckles" by Qwerty6000 in 11:57.29
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Does this run need a CamHack Encode?
"The guy was fatally injured and wants to be covered by God's tears (rain) before he dies. God is too busy to bother because it wastes frames." Frames 16:26