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Someone needs to change the title of this thread now. ;)
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Holy crap, you are the man MUGG :O
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that was ridiculous ! grats MUGG.
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Post subject: Re: 4-3 problem now solved
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MUGG wrote:
http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/700442319/4-3_problem_solved.fcm (FCEU movie) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SX3V3LRE (avi)
Youtube'd for the lazy. I hope you don't mind. Damn, this is amazing. Awesome job, MUGG! What a ridiculously elaborate series of maneuvers for one gap!
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Wow... and you made it look so easy too! Congratulations!
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I can't believe it took over 2 years for someone to come up with something that works. Maybe finally, the game has a limit, but NOOOOOO, here comes MUGG. Amazing.
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I think somehow I always knew someone would eventually figure it out. I didn't expect it to be like this, though.
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klmz wrote:
To clear things up: you need to be at least 18 frames faster in Level 8-2 to gain 21 frames in the whole run.
Do you think that's possible?
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I am doubting that people will make the warps run faster. But HappyLee, you've been really awesome at this smb TASing lately :). I hope you can manage to improve level 8-4. ... I actually have an idea for improvement oddly. HappyLee, at the third pipe in 8-4, try to jump with Mario and face left. I think Mario would slow down quicker this way. I will try this out tomorrow I think.
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thats.. great :) are there any other problematic levels further down the game, or have the subsequent levels been tested already?
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I have the same doubts, but I guess the most problematic was this one.
I am old enough to know better, but not enough to do it.
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6-3 will be interesting.
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I've been lurking this thread for years and seeing its title change was quite shocking. This is pretty awesome. =)
http://girlyyy.com/ The El Viento TAS is the only decent thing I submitted here.
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grats =) nice find thx for youtubelink!
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What a thrilling story for tasvideos, making this run possible was a quest by itself. Congrats!
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I'm curious who is going to be the first to start working on this. heh. and whether or not a TAS of this would even get accepted.
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While I don't think a full walkathon would be published (or even enjoyed much), there's nothing prohibiting us from linking it from the short walkathon's movie description.
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I just tested the remaining levels, and I was able to do them all in real-time, so a full game walkathon is now completely possible. 6-2, 6-3 and 7-1 are bound to look pretty.
Post subject: 4-3 without getting hit
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The next step is now to get it to work without getting hit. Currently, the most plausible approach is to use the inside-of-enemy technique. You can mustache jump on the first koopa, then after landing on the platform, you can stay inside of it. When the second koopa is approaching, proceed as normal. Problem is that the jump you gain from landing on enemies are random (at least I think they are) in height. You need to be facing left and bump into the wall to use the no-scrolling technique. So sometimes when mustache jumping, you would bump into the corner, but not make it on the platform. Sometimes you would land on the platform without touching the wall. And sometimes you can make it on the ground while having bumped into the corner. But I was only able to land on the platform with next to zero acceleration. So this made the no-scrolling trick kind of inefficient. I haven't figured out yet what determines the randomness behind the random jump heights. http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/502710249/4-3_problem-not-hurt.fcm This is the approach. Note that I posted the 4-3 solution right after I found it. I didn't have another try at it, so it might be possible to get it to work with less space in the gap on the left. (Although, right now as I'm typing this here, I think I had actually checked this. No idea...) Currently, I'm rather demotivated to have more tries at that 4-3 level again. edit: Oh, and thanks for the cheers concerning my 4-3 solution earlier! :P
Post subject: Warpless improvement
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Those who follow my TAS SVN project already have knows this for awhile but I thought I'd share with the general public. Klmz, andrewg, and I have been working on an improvement to the SMB warpless movie. This is mainly based on a Vine glitch that klmz discovered about a year ago. We have also found a few other time savers along the way. Currently we are at 5-1 and are 126 (6 frame rules) ahead of the published movie. The WIP is available in the SVN of my tas project if anyone wants to watch!
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Simply amazing achievement! I'd followed this thread way back when and thought 'Well, there's no underlying game logic reason that says it has to be possible, maybe it just isn't.' Kudos to MUGG for never saying die. I would vote for a no-warps walkathon to get published, though it would end up being quite long for an SMB run. If, as andrewg suggested, however, there were to be an 'all known SMB glitches run,' I'd definitely vote for 4-3 being done as a walkathon to show this off.
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Lord Tom wrote:
however, there were to be an 'all known SMB glitches run,' I'd definitely vote for 4-3 being done as a walkathon to show this off.
I totally agree with this :)
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Andrew: I looked at it and don't think facing left can save time; reason is that the published run lands at speed 33 and releases B for a frame, instantly slowing to 24. The segment does not appear to be limited by ability to slow down, but rather by the speed at which Mario can get to the ground after the pipe...
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Lord Tom wrote:
Andrew: I looked at it and don't think facing left can save time; reason is that the published run lands at speed 33 and releases B for a frame, instantly slowing to 24. The segment does not appear to be limited by ability to slow down, but rather by the speed at which Mario can get to the ground after the pipe...
Yeah, I tested this about a week ago and it didn't work. :(
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