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Posted: 7/13/2014 4:17 PM
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uhm, going by that video, it seems like the speed item is almost useless in the Jap version? in the published TAS it goes a lot faster… so I don’t know if Jap version will be faster in the end just because of that midboss skip in the first level (but maybe there are more skips/changes later on?) and, do you really need to get Grand Master in level 2? the published TAS doesn’t, and saves a lot of time by not caring about rank disregarding that, you still got a hard (slow) landing from the hook shoot at the beginning, but maybe it’s unavoidable because that’s a long shoot… don’t remember how it works; and at the end I think it would be faster to just do the infinite long jumps until you reach the finish without going down from the roofs and using the speed item… also can you make another video for your new level 1 TAS? I don’t have the emulator but I would like to see it
Posted: 7/13/2014 5:24 PM
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Yes, the speed item like a jerk, run too short. But J version still can faster US version, because it have less stages more than and some other skips I'll show later On stage 2, if I run like published TAS, I'll meet alot enemies (enemies spawn not same US version, have lot more than), then I'll don't have 2 speed items for stage 3. I tried many ways in today, can't reduce times meet enemies anymore, can't change lucky for reduce enemies I'm thinking about tag TAS for my TAS: silent run, grand master rank (or 100%), pacifist run. What best for choice? :D And here my new run on stage 1. I was sacrifice 1 frame when select item for don't meet a enemy before meet boss. If I meet that enemy, I'll lost grand master rank, then I'll don't have a speed item. This item will help me faster a bit and can help pass a cat near the bridge on stage 2. If not pass, that cat will take my grand master rank :( Hmm I can't make quick standing after hook like your clip. Need movie game file for full info Link to video
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Posted: 7/13/2014 8:10 PM
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^to get the soft landing, I think you need to throw the hook lower than what you’re doing. try hitting the underside of the roof with the hook, don’t hit above the roll before entering the house looked cool, but is dash jumping into the hole really slower?
Posted: 7/14/2014 2:53 AM
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ALAKTORN wrote:
^to get the soft landing, I think you need to throw the hook lower than what you’re doing. try hitting the underside of the roof with the hook, don’t hit above
Yes I did it but still can't quick stand, tried many way. Hope you can remember how to do it Btw, dash jump to hole is slower. And I can't hit boss before bomb explosion
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Posted: 7/14/2014 3:27 AM
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maybe it’s not possible to do it in the Japanese version…? it shouldn’t be that hard to get
Posted: 7/14/2014 4:20 AM
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Now I must choice what type run for my TAS: 1/ Fastest time: I'll don't need must have grand master rank (just take it if don't have any problem) because speed item don't help too much. Do anything for fastest time 2/ Highest ranks (or 100%): mean must make silent runs, maybe need make silent kills (because some other spots can't pass it by silent run) for get all grand master rank 3/ Pacifist run: mean no kill, nearly fastest time I think if make fastest time, the character just need run run and run, it'll look too boring .Example try compare stage 2 on US version and my stage 2 run, my run look cool more than :D Someone plz help me a advice. Thanks ! :)
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Posted: 7/14/2014 4:28 AM
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If it's entertaining enough for moons, you can TAS whatever you like. So do testruns with light TAS optimization and decide for yourself which has more potential :)
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Posted: 7/14/2014 5:07 AM
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Thanks bro!
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Posted: 7/15/2014 11:02 AM
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I'm going mad, many things in US version not work in Japan version 1.0. Any new ideas for me? Here's my test: Link to video I think I'll remake in Rittai Ninja Katsugeki - Tenchu - Shinobi Gaisen ,but maybe my tricks will not work, so sad :(
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Posted: 7/15/2014 7:20 PM
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^the encode is black at the end… your run looks well optimized, but I don’t think doing fewer levels can be considered an improvement… you should use whichever ROM has all the levels a thought: is it slower to dashjump into loading zones? for example the boss killed with shuriken, is it slower to dashjump into the cutscene instead of simply running?
Posted: 7/16/2014 9:49 AM
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have you noitce the freeze time before screen to black? Here my test at the end in stage 2: (my point at screen got black) with normal dash: late 4 frames with jump dash: late 2 frames with scroll: late 8 frames Btw, I was tried few stages in Rittai Ninja Katsugeki - Tenchu - Shinobi Gaisen, it's same US version, my tricks/bugs didn't work :(
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Posted: 7/16/2014 1:15 PM
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why not just play the USA version and improve the published movie? you can do it with your optimizations also I think it would be cool to go for a score run, which means killing every enemy without being seen (I think); you also have to start the level at the correct time to have the best pattern for scoring I guess
Posted: 7/16/2014 1:41 PM
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I want show tricks/bugs in other version, some faster way can do about silent run. I was asked before, but someone said fastest way is best type for do. And I did it :D
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Posted: 7/20/2014 8:59 AM
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Here's my test on Tenchu [US] - Stage 1, improved 222 frames http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/16151486350847538 Link to video @ALAKTORN: your ideas have working on US version now. Have any new ideas again ? :D
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Posted: 7/20/2014 5:21 PM
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that was super awesome!!! I hope you can keep up this quality for the full run :) one thing I just found: it’s possible to do infinite jumps with ALL types of jumps, maybe there’s a faster jump than a dashjump? side jump maybe? have you tried that? also I’ve been playing around with the hook a little, and since it works based on the camera angle, you can make it do some strange things 1. if a wall is close behind you (so the camera is close to your head), you can do a quick shoot, but you won’t go anywhere; also you can sometimes hook things behind you: https://youtu.be/4MeLvLilR_g 2. an idea: maybe using L1 together with the hook can allow for different angles or make it faster? 3. I’ve somehow got boosted forward on my soft landing on top of a roof, what I did was: I was crouched, moved forward and threw a quick hook at the same time (while holding forward and R1); it seems to be pixel-perfect… don’t know if it could actually be used anywhere also I found a faster strategy for Echigoya: http://youtu.be/Y3X4ZQFVTz8 this is faster by about ″30 by my calculations edit: I found another Echigoya strategy which may be even faster, I’ll make a vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5JJeEdy6SA&t=37s edit2: wow nevermind, the in-game timer is bad… it stops counting when Echigoya hits the ground, not when you kill him, so this strategy is bad…
Posted: 7/21/2014 2:10 AM
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Wow I didn't know infinite jumps can do with all type jumps. For jump forward, only dash jump is fastest. Hmmm I don't know where should be use other type jumps for improve speed. Can it jump to sky with not moving? About camera and hook, I know this but still don't know where should be use this. About your quick stand up with a "pixel-perfect", yes I did it in US version. It don't need must make crouch, just after hook if can stand on that pixel it'll work. But I tried compare speed with quick stand up near eagle by my eyes, I see it same (not sure) About hook with L1 and strategy for kill bosses, I'll try calculator frames more than.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 9:27 PM
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How is the run going, NK?
Posted: 8/9/2014 2:16 AM
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Hi! I was caculator and did your tactic on stage 1 boss, yes it saved more frames Now I'm stuckingon stage 2 because I can't get 3 boost items like current run (just have 1 only). Tried change timer on start stage and end stage, tried change score/rank, but all not work. Do you know how to control it?
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Posted: 8/9/2014 3:56 AM
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Hâthor wrote:
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  • RNG: Also, additional items earn at the end of the level depends on time used to complete it. In level 2, I'm waiting for 12 frames before raising the cutscene; it allows me to get 3 lightfoot scrolls (very uncommon).
Sounds like it would be useful to learn how to manipulate the RNG… Edit: I just got 2 Lightfoot Scrolls after level 1, but I re-did from the mission select, it wasn’t a first-time clear. I don’t know if that changes the amount of items you get, but maybe it’s possible to get 3 of them in every level…
Posted: 8/9/2014 4:38 AM
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Yes, I think it's possible for get 3 boost items in every stages
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Posted: 8/9/2014 4:47 AM
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I wanted to try TASing this game and maybe co-author the run, but I don’t know if I’ll find the time to TAS. Can you post your movie file anyway?
Posted: 8/9/2014 6:12 AM
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of course, more ppl more quality for the run :D I'll upload movie file when I back my home, staying my company now
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Posted: 8/9/2014 10:32 AM
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it's here: http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/16597134025866203 Testing on stage 2
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Posted: 8/9/2014 4:14 PM
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^That movie still has the old Echigoya strategy, you haven’t made a new one? I’ll try to find some useful RAM addresses for starters, like Speed and RNG.
Posted: 8/9/2014 4:36 PM
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Wa, I was rewarch. I got consusion upload wrong file I'm sorry, here's it: http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/16602892649622269
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