Tompa
Any
Editor, Expert player (2213)
Joined: 8/15/2005
Posts: 1940
Location: Mullsjö, Sweden
I will make a video later as I said =). When you are around the dungeon or similar. I see you didn't fix they issues up to the end of dungeon 1... Like the bat you avoided, and the octorok before the sword. Shouldn't you do that? It's not much to remake really... This time I can't find any issues. Good work. And someone please give Rosa a pair of glasses, she is blind... :D.
Joined: 7/28/2006
Posts: 61
Yeah, the only thing I changed was skipping the heart container. The only thing I know how to fix is the octorok, so I guess I'll fix that. I'm not really sure how to manipulate the bats. EDIT: I'm too lazy to post a WIP right now, but I'm redoing the run fixing my mistakes. I just made it to the first dungeon and it's 67 frames faster than my previous version.
Tompa
Any
Editor, Expert player (2213)
Joined: 8/15/2005
Posts: 1940
Location: Mullsjö, Sweden
That's good! Hope you will find some bugs or sequence breaks in the game. I've tried a lot but haven't find anything special yet. EDIT: Here is how you skip a key in dungeon 7: http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1760/Key%20Skip.vbm
Post subject: Speaking of OoS
Active player (347)
Joined: 3/21/2006
Posts: 940
Location: Toronto, Canada
Man, I love this game! Since I've been bested for the first OoS TAS I've focused on doing a no-damage, 3-heart run which should be fun to do (it's always fun to do when you have limits and need extra strategies to work around them). Hopefully this "minimalist" run will get published, possibly have it under 2:05 (taking damage could put it under 2 hours, but again, I love limits!). I'll update as I go. Currently only up to finishing Hero's Cave, but I'm not on my regular PC now, so I can't submit. Will soon.
My current project: Something mysterious (oooooh!) My username is all lower-case letters. Please get it right :(
Tompa
Any
Editor, Expert player (2213)
Joined: 8/15/2005
Posts: 1940
Location: Mullsjö, Sweden
I belive the finish time of this will be around 1:50. If you have watched my Speedrun, which I guess you haven't, there are lots to be improved. And that time is at 2:06. And Ego Buff's Testrun was at 2:01. But good luck to you too! I'm looking forward to both these runs=). Any news Vespa? Are you working with it?
Former player
Joined: 3/10/2006
Posts: 347
Location: Maryland, United States
Yeah he still works on it when he get's the chance to. School is taking up most of his time now.
Active player (347)
Joined: 3/21/2006
Posts: 940
Location: Toronto, Canada
[quote="Tompa"]If you have watched my Speedrun, which I guess you haven't...[/quote] Not all two-odd hours and not in detail. I mainly focused on where I am now, which is up to the Hero's Cave dungeon.
My current project: Something mysterious (oooooh!) My username is all lower-case letters. Please get it right :(
Tompa
Any
Editor, Expert player (2213)
Joined: 8/15/2005
Posts: 1940
Location: Mullsjö, Sweden
Good that you both are working with the runs though. I'm looking forward to see some WIP's if you are going to post any. And I would like to help as much as I can!
Joined: 7/28/2006
Posts: 61
Sorry for the wait, I haven't had much free time with school starting and all. But anyways, here's my progress so far. I make it about half way through dungeon 2. http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1892/HalfDungeon2.vbm[/url]
Active player (347)
Joined: 3/21/2006
Posts: 940
Location: Toronto, Canada
I'm switching to an Oracle of Ages damage run. I hope maybe, in a "coincidental" move, that the Ages/Seasons runs could be submitted at the same time, and (if they're good enough) published at exactly the same time. )
My current project: Something mysterious (oooooh!) My username is all lower-case letters. Please get it right :(
Joined: 7/28/2006
Posts: 61
Great, so now we have both games being done.
Tompa
Any
Editor, Expert player (2213)
Joined: 8/15/2005
Posts: 1940
Location: Mullsjö, Sweden
Wonderful news then! Both Oracle games! :D YAY Sadly dehacked isn't working for me anymore, but I shall download it tomorrow in school instead. Are you two going to use the same thread for both your runs? EDIT: Made my friend download it for me and send via MSN instead... Why do you swing you sword before entering the village after beaten dungeon 1? Is this to avoid it being winter in the village or...? That's the only reason I can find out:). It was a little bit pointless to kill the ropes before taking the power bracelet as they came back again... Manipulate the bat's movement before the movie ends? You slowed down a bit. Good anyway! It's hard to manipulate the enemies in these games, if you ask me. And Theenglishman, mostly all TAS's are avoiding getting hurt except when it's worth it. Doing a "no damage" run of Oracle of Ages will only invold that you don't fall down into a pit to save some seconds. Or els you shall not be damaged anywhere, not what I can think of at the moment though. So I think you shall do a normal run anyway, because the differences are too small. Anyway, you shall fix your signature that you are doing Oracle of Ages instead of Seasons=).
Joined: 7/28/2006
Posts: 61
You guessed right, slashing was to manipulate the season in town. Slashing was the only way I could find to manipulate it. Killing the ropes before taking the power bracelet is required to open the door. lol, I guessed you missed that. Yeah, the enemies are hard to manipulate. I'll try manipulating the bats, but I doubt I'll get it any better than I have now. I only had to stop for a couple of frames. Thanks for the advice Tompa, and I'm looking forward to a WIP theengilshman.
Tompa
Any
Editor, Expert player (2213)
Joined: 8/15/2005
Posts: 1940
Location: Mullsjö, Sweden
Yeah, I know you must kill the ropes to open the door... But you killed them twice. You slashed them before you opened the key lock. And when you reentered the room you had to kill them once more. Enemies don't count as "killed" before the, what to say, "smoke" disappear. Understand what I mean now?
Joined: 7/28/2006
Posts: 61
Oh man, I can't believe I didn't notice that. But only one snake reappeared. There were three snakes in the room originally, and when I came back there were only two, so one of the snakes got killed. Anyways, I'll fix that up pronto.
Post subject: Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...
Active player (347)
Joined: 3/21/2006
Posts: 940
Location: Toronto, Canada
Please excuse me while I vent my frustration. FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK! Sorry about that. I have accidentally RECORDED OVER my WIP for Oracle of Ages (FUCKFUCKFUCK) which was about 20 minutes in (grrrrrr...). I have to redo it now! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
My current project: Something mysterious (oooooh!) My username is all lower-case letters. Please get it right :(
Tompa
Any
Editor, Expert player (2213)
Joined: 8/15/2005
Posts: 1940
Location: Mullsjö, Sweden
Oh... no:(. That's sad.. I feel sorry for you. Let's see, 20 minutes... I guess you are in dungeon 2 or similar then? By the way... Do you want me to post my testrun? There are lots to improve from it, but you may learn something interesting...
Former player
Joined: 3/10/2006
Posts: 347
Location: Maryland, United States
Hmm. I'm guessing you only had one save state. I always make it a habit of using all 10 slots just case something like that happens. It's also a good idea to periodically make a backup as you progress through the game.
Post subject: I feel MUCH better now...
Active player (347)
Joined: 3/21/2006
Posts: 940
Location: Toronto, Canada
To answer your posts:
Tompa wrote:
Do you want me to post my testrun? There are lots to improve from it, but you may learn something interesting...
Hell ya! Mostly I was wondering if you can skip keys in dungeons etc. secondly...
dezbeast wrote:
Hmm. I'm guessing you only had one save state.
Didn't work like that. Went to Tools-->Record-->Start Movie recording instead of Play Movie Recording.
My current project: Something mysterious (oooooh!) My username is all lower-case letters. Please get it right :(
Player (36)
Joined: 9/11/2004
Posts: 2630
theenglishman, If you had a savestate just load it. It'll overwrite the new movie with your old one.
Build a man a fire, warm him for a day, Set a man on fire, warm him for the rest of his life.
Tompa
Any
Editor, Expert player (2213)
Joined: 8/15/2005
Posts: 1940
Location: Mullsjö, Sweden
Here is my Oracle of Ages testrun. As dehacked isn't working for me I had to use a different site instead. Hope it's ok=). I finish the game with a time of 2:52:22. This movie is meant as a speedrun, and has a lot of issues in it. http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=8F0E1AA42522E6F6 Some improvements: Rupee route. You need around 80 rupees in the game. You shall be able to get all these by luck. A lot can be get from Maple when getting the potion. And the rest from enemies and bushes that you have to slash. Are you using S&Q warps? That will save a bounch of time. Fairy route. This is the fastest route that you shall use: Right, Down first fairy. Left, up, down, up, down, up second. Up third. When taking the Harp of Ages, jump down instead of taking the stairs. Taking the mystery seeds. I came up with an idea... It may be possible to be damaged boosted over the hole by a moblin instead of taking the long way and burn the bush. Try it!:D Dungeon 2. At the miniboss, sometimes when he does the third drop, he will bounch more times and then you can kill him before he raise again. I have actually no idea when/why he does that. But you shall make him do it anyway... When taking the feather, it is faster to do it my way instead of slashing the sword to avoid getting hit. I'm not sure which way is fastest when you are leaving that underground though. Try both damage boost, and sword slash. When you jump around in the room with the many holes to get the colored tile blue so you can pass with the train, you shall have more than ½ heart here, so you can jump down the hole instead of jumping back. In the end of the dungeon when pushing the colored block. This is by "far" the fastest way. Start with the yellow as I do. But you shall push the blue blocks a different way. I guess you know how=P. I will continue with more improvements later... Need to sleep now. Hope you will enjoy it. Feel free to ask anything you like about the movie. Goodnight, hee.
Tompa
Any
Editor, Expert player (2213)
Joined: 8/15/2005
Posts: 1940
Location: Mullsjö, Sweden
Going to continue with the improvements now: Dungeon 3. When you slash the second crystal, don't destroy it from below. Instead you shall take it on your way back from the room after taking the key. From Down-Right. I'm playing the harp to kill the bunnies because that's a safe method. But I guess it's faster using bombs instead. Because you'll need the bombs later too, and then you don't need to switch items again. You can kill the moldorm using only one bomb. And don't care to kill the statue with a bomb after bombing the switch, that was just stupid. You'll need to get some bombrefills. There are two places to get them. In the bushes where I get them in the movie. Or els just before the room with the four statues you need to kill. I'm not sure which way is the fastest one. After taking the seed shooter. I'm not 100% I take the fastest way. I think it is faster to go back inside the flying tiles room. I did two timings on this. First, the tile room was slower, and next it was faster. Be sure to check both. The mole can be killed in one cycle. Sometimes he is stupid enough to stay up very long. This only happned once for me, while I recorded a speedrun. No tests have been made if it is faster to take the seedupgrade or not. But I will be able to carry more pegasus seeds, so I guess it is faster... Dungeon 4. Faster way to push the colored block at start. On the miniboss, you can make the sword hit him at once at start. Be sure to go back to the pegasus seed tree to refill as often as possible. My way to push the colored blocks in dungeon 5 to get the key is also sucky. Here is a movie of the way you shall do that on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZM4Qp5DPqQ&mode=user&search= Made by E_alert from SDA. My last round on the boss sucks. Don't really know the fastest way yet. You shall fail the last 2 rounds at the dance. It is faster then dancing those too. You can switch the Vine Seed in a faster way as well. It only require two switches. When playing the minigame using the sword to slash the wall so it hit those blue "boxes". Try to get a lot of points at start, and then do some misses. So you still get the points you need, but in a faster way. Also try to manipulate the ball to go as fast as possible if possible=). Dungeon 6. When getting the first key. Use you scent seeds to make the enemies walk down the hole instead of jumping to them and kill them. I think this is faster. The boss sucks... You shall be able to take it much faster using both the sword and the seed shooter at the same time. I and e_alert have been talking quite a lot about this. But did come up with a solution. You don't have to be so stupid as me to go and talk to the Great Fairy Octorok before talking to the king. When you have revived the fairy you shall change time at once. This will make you closer to the cliff so you can jump down into the water. And you will also be in the same time to talk with the king. I have been trying many different routes for dungeon 7... And I'm sure it could be improved, but this is the fastest way I found out. Be sure to switch to the feather before you actually kill the miniboss. To avoid waiting in the entrance of the room. I often forgot this... Just wanted to mention it even if you see it in the movie:). At the boss. When he is attacking you, be as close to him as you can. Because he wont go so far then. I think there is a way to skip a key in dungeon 8. Or at least take a shortcut. in the room with the blue skeletons, one gives you a key. If you are able to manipulate one of them to be on the other side of the blue "spike" things... you won't need to go around as much in the dungeon. Be sure to have enough ember seeds in this dungeon... I took a long detour to get more, which sucked. Here is another nice trick made by e_alert. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf6kZx49Pnk I guess you know this, but I didn't :D. It is always the same ladder that the fire goes to. So you don't need to wait for it. Be sure to run whenever you can in the end. Manipulate the boss so it only takes the bee and turtle form so you can use your sword. I think this is all! Thanks to Quijo, e_alert and the people in SDA that helped me point out my improvements in the run. Good luck with your! EDIT: I would like to see your WIP's a little earlier than after 20 minutes. I know a lot of the game and could probably found possible improvements. I sadly haven't found any bugs or sequence breaks in the game. And L+R glitches aren't working either, that sucks :D. Let's see who will finish the run first. My speedrun, or you TAS:). I have just recorded up to the end of dungeon 3.
Post subject: Re: New Tricks
Active player (347)
Joined: 3/21/2006
Posts: 940
Location: Toronto, Canada
First, sorry for the slow progress. Homework and school are taking much of my time right now. Next, to Tompa: speak n00bish. I may not be one, but half the time I can't understand what the hell you're saying sorry X( Lastly, about the Darknut switch: Holy shit that's awesome! Can it be done with enemies other than Darknuts? And can it be done side to side? And do you need the Lv-2 Hookshot?
My current project: Something mysterious (oooooh!) My username is all lower-case letters. Please get it right :(
Tompa
Any
Editor, Expert player (2213)
Joined: 8/15/2005
Posts: 1940
Location: Mullsjö, Sweden
When reading that post it sounds like you hardly know the game :D. Sorry if I misunderstood it=). What I want is that you post wips more often. If you don't understand what I'm saying, tell me. About that trick: So far I know that's the only useful place to use that on. Lvl 2 hookshot only increase the length of the chain and it's speed, nothing more. It may work on more places thought. Haven't checked up really. Can you tell me a little more specific what you want to know?
Active player (347)
Joined: 3/21/2006
Posts: 940
Location: Toronto, Canada
Just screenshots to show where to start performing the trick. That's all I need. X)
My current project: Something mysterious (oooooh!) My username is all lower-case letters. Please get it right :(