new pcsx 0.0.8 works fine with playback windows now :) (just had to download the zlib)
I've trying a new demo video with kkapture and checked the new option graphic plugin... I dont know what it do, but I din't see any relative problem with this.
The scrap sound VS synchronization issue still there, thought.
This new version (v0.0.8) is a lot better than the previous one. I tried to crash it, and so far, I failed.
The Mega Man X5 and X6 movies still sync, so there are no new desync problems. Turbo speed is back to pre-v0.0.6 quality.
There seems to be a rather huge bug in v0.0.8.
Loadstate, at least while playing back a movie, does absolutely nothing.
It works fine here. =/
I'm glad some people like this version... But I think this is almost exactly the same as v0.0.7. :P
Maybe it fixed some bugs because it nows uses a different registry entry for its settings, and they all have been set to default because of that...
You're just fucking stupid, everyone hates you, sorry to tell you the truth. no one likes you, you're someone pretentious and TASes only to be on speed game, but don't have any hope, you won't get there.
Really? I just corrupted the main x5 pxm I have quite easily with 0.0.8 (that I can easily get back), and crashed pcsx 3 times as a result. Just loading the movie now crashes pcsx, and the header of the movie is also partially corrupt.
I'm glad some people like this version... But I think this is almost exactly the same as v0.0.7. :P
It more or less it, just with faster turbo :P
Maybe it fixed some bugs because it nows uses a different registry entry for its settings, and they all have been set to default because of that...
Indeed, there was a need to resetup all the hotkeys etc. used, although there wasn't a need to reconfig the input plugin.
I just corrupted the main x5 pxm I have quite easily with 0.0.8 (that I can easily get back), and crashed pcsx 3 times as a result. Just loading the movie now crashes pcsx, and the header of the movie is also partially corrupt.
Uhm. That sucks.
Well, I didn't announce it here because I haven't tested this version at all. I just compiled everything I had on my hard drive and uploaded it, since I won't be working on this anymore, most probably. I had to increase the version number so people who only download the latest stable release wouldn't have that v0.0.7 crash on "Movie"->"Start Playback" anymore.
So, yeah... This version didn't get any testing from me, and I don't think I will be fixing bugs any time soon.
I mostly hate this website now. I especially hate those people who have the power to change things and never do anything at all. I rather spend my time with things that have more life or which at least I can do something to give them more life.
Atma wrote:
Indeed, there was a need to resetup all the hotkeys etc. used, although there wasn't a need to reconfig the input plugin.
I don't have the source code for the input plugins, that's why they're still using the old registry entries. :P
You're just fucking stupid, everyone hates you, sorry to tell you the truth. no one likes you, you're someone pretentious and TASes only to be on speed game, but don't have any hope, you won't get there.
Just want to say that you did a great job with the emulator. I'm sorry to hear that you hate the website. Some big star of the TAS community seems to be quitting often. It's bad that we lost one of the few good coder that we had.
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mz wrote:
I mostly hate this website now. I especially hate those people who have the power to change things and never do anything at all. I rather spend my time with things that have more life or which at least I can do something to give them more life.
May I ask what you specifically mean?
Nitrogenesis wrote:
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
Well, I've been complaining about that stuff for the last few months, I think... If you've read any of my posts in that period, maybe you already know what I mean; if not:
Things I hate about this website:
-Elitist judging system that motivate people to keep TASing the same 5 or so games over and over again (Zelda, Sonic, Mario, Megaman, Metroid, etc.). No one wants to waste months of his life just to see his work rejected only because the judge in turn has never played your game before and he doesn't find it entertaining. And let's not talk about waiting 65 months to see a run accepted, when it should be much faster if we didn't have this stupid elitist system with just a couple of judges.
-Bisqwit. I think he'd rather have another MTV interview for himself instead of having a community the size of YouTube. He is only worried about having the highest possible quality for anything in his website (Matthew 23:27-28). Thanks to this we only have published TASes for the most popular games, the encodes for more complex systems take years to appear on the website, the website is more static than most 1998 FrontPage sites, the community is completely separated from the real website (forum/real website... Most new people don't even know there are so many people behind those TASes), our TASes a lot of times receive more comments on sites like YouTube instead of ours, because it's much harder for a newbie to leave comments here, etc etc. And don't get me started on things I've been personally annoyed by him: it took him more than a year to accept PCSX or at least show interest, he doesn't want to accept runs with hacks in them (like that finished Resident Evil 3 TAS or Metal Gear Solid...) at least until we have pSX, his complete lack of social skill drive away any new coder, with his mostly stupid new-emulator requirements and his blunt way to criticize the work other people are doing for free to help his website; and how we have forums for Famtasia, DOSBox, Dolphin, etc... and for PCSX it took more than a year to have one. And he should be the one making the changes needed by this community to be more alive, and not just this elitist soon to be dead thing; but I guess Bisqwit really likes all this, and he's just interested in more interviews for MTV and all that.
-Most old members because of this: http://tasvideos.org/forum/p/189952#189952.
You're just fucking stupid, everyone hates you, sorry to tell you the truth. no one likes you, you're someone pretentious and TASes only to be on speed game, but don't have any hope, you won't get there.
Dear mz, I apologize to you for selfishly choosing where I direct my energy at my free time and for possessing a sizable dose of perfectionist personality.
But my free time usable for this site's benefit is not going to increase -- on the contrary -- so I only hope that whoever takes over a particular task will do better job than I have done.
I know this post is going to be provocative, but to hell with it.
mz wrote:
the encodes for more complex systems take years to appear on the website
If you provided a way to get PCSX natively running under Linux, there wouldn't be a problem.
I personally don't understand how a Windows-only emulator could get accepted in the first place, but that's not for me to decide. Although we do have 10 people who are officially entitled to encode and publish submission after they've been accepted, it seems to me that only 4 of them have been showing any activity in regard to clearing workbench for a few months now, 3 of them are either only running Linux or have a fairly strong preference for it, as I understand it. Anyway, nothing I could do about it, I guess.
You really like blanket arguments, don't you? All the "old" members were new once. You are just trying to make a point by segregation, finding the side to blame and getting on the other. It never even mattered if HappyLee was new or whoever you think jumped on his throat old. Arguing with you here is pointless, because when you disagree, you don't try finding a reason for it, you do nothing else but blaming those you disagree with. This is no constructive behavior and you know it. But you'd rather bring up a Matthew quote instead.
Warp wrote:
Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.
Although we do have 10 people who are officially entitled to encode and publish submission after they've been accepted
Well, that's the main problem as I see it. For example, nineko makes encodes (almost) always the same day someone makes a submission, but Bisqwit thinks people need the video to be 2 MB smaller, so everyone else only visiting the front page has to wait 26 months to see it.
moozooh wrote:
Arguing with you here is pointless, because when you disagree, you don't try finding a reason for it, you do nothing else but blaming those you disagree with. This is no constructive behavior and you know it.
I've always been giving reasons a thousand times, even for things that are the most obvious ones for me. And you and others always say "WHY ARE YOU SAYING THAT BLA BLA BLA" and when I say why, you just ignore my reasons.
And I would rather not have to blame anyone and just be a hypocrite like everyone else, but to get better sometimes we need for other people to tell us our mistakes, or at least what they think our mistakes are.
If I didn't think this is "constructive behavior" I wouldn't be bothering to write so much in English (something really difficult for me), and I would just let this community die as I see it soon will if some things don't change.
moozooh wrote:
But you'd rather bring up a Matthew quote instead.
Well, I have some by John too if you prefer him:
John 9:40-41 wrote:
Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, "What? Are we blind too?"
Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains."
You're just fucking stupid, everyone hates you, sorry to tell you the truth. no one likes you, you're someone pretentious and TASes only to be on speed game, but don't have any hope, you won't get there.
I've always been giving reasons a thousand times, even for things that are the most obvious ones for me. And you and others always say "WHY ARE YOU SAYING THAT BLA BLA BLA" and when and I say why, you just ignore my reasons.
I should have explained myself better. I meant the reasons everything ended up the way you disagree with. You seem to disregard these reasons, and being unsatisfied throws you into a fit of nerd rage. That's why people are asking you "WHY ARE YOU SAYING THAT BLA BLA BLA", I suppose.
mz wrote:
And I would rather not have to blame anyone and just be a hypocrite like everyone else, but to get better sometimes we need for other people to tell us our mistakes, or at least what they think are our mistakes.
Yeah, we should also tell them we hate them because that will make them better, obviously. But it seems to be your way of doing things. Even though I might be out of discourse by this point, you're often seen starting some hate debate here and there, and that's telling something.
mz wrote:
If I didn't think this is "constructive behavior" I wouldn't be bothering to write so much in English (something really difficult for me), and I would just let this community die as I see it soon will if some things don't change.
I appreciate your efforts of not letting the community die (you may detect a hint of sarcasm here). You've been doing a good job with the emulators, and I respect that a lot, but your personality is something I don't like dealing with, really, and it's also the reason the changes you propose aren't really being discussed in a civilized way: because your spiteful behavior sets the tone for the discussion that unfolds.
Keep in mind that almost half the community here is not native English speakers, does that mean everything they're saying is constructive by default? Funny that you disagree with me then, I'm Russian to begin with.
mz wrote:
Well, I have some by John too if you prefer him
I actually laughed at this point, that was clever.
Warp wrote:
Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.
EDIT: Message deleted.
I'll try to not post again unless I have something truly useful to say. Sorry for "often starting some hate debate here and there".
You're just fucking stupid, everyone hates you, sorry to tell you the truth. no one likes you, you're someone pretentious and TASes only to be on speed game, but don't have any hope, you won't get there.
Bisqwit. I think he'd rather have another MTV interview for himself instead of having a community the size of YouTube. He is only worried about having the highest possible quality for anything in his website.
Thanks to this we only have published TASes for the most popular games, the encodes for more complex systems take years to appear on the website, the website is more static than most 1998 FrontPage sites, the community is completely separated from the real website (forum/real website... Most new people don't even know there are so many people behind those TASes), our TASes a lot of times receive more comments on sites like YouTube instead of ours, because it's much harder for a newbie to leave comments here, etc etc. And don't get me started on things I've been personally annoyed by him: it took him more than a year to accept PCSX or at least show interest, he doesn't want to accept runs with hacks in them (like that finished Resident Evil 3 TAS or Metal Gear Solid...) at least until we have pSX, his complete lack of social skill drive away any new coder, with his mostly stupid new-emulator requirements and his blunt way to criticize the work other people are doing for free to help his website; and how we have forums for Famtasia, DOSBox, Dolphin, etc... and for PCSX it took more than a year to have one. And he should be the one making the changes needed by this community to be more alive, and not just this elitist soon to be dead thing; but I guess Bisqwit really likes all this, and he's just interested in more interviews for MTV and all that.
To summarize, you are accusing me of the following:
1. Interested of responding interviews (fame)
2. Overly interested in minor technical bits
3. Not curating the community
4. Not developing the site to put the community in a more promiment position
5. Demanding diamonds on a silver platter
6. Not acknowledging hard work until #5 is met, and sometimes not even then
Have I understood correctly?
I will respond.
1. TASVideos grew from amidst the need to provide information about TASes. The gamer audience was extremely uneducated about TASes, and accusations of cheating were common. Thus, for a long time, a major goal of TASVideos was political as much as it was about bringing entertainment. To hope helping this goal, I accepted any honorable interview requests that came in. I have no ambitions of personal fame. Now that I have shifted that responsibility away, adelikat will be responding any interview requests that will be come, except this one that I will be answering for Pelaaja-lehti in Finnish language next week. [EDIT: Which I actually forgot about. :( No interview.]
2. Being a geek, can't really help that. Also, the desire to provide good quality videos at an affordable file size was one of the founding goals of this site.
3. I'm not really a charismatic person, and I'm not good at managing communities, and therefore I've done my best to balance on the edge between staying from the way and enforcing some discipline. After more moderators were recruited, I stepped further into the shadows. Instead of insisting people work under bad leadership, I've admitted my shortcomings from time to time and I've been calling others to step forward, while stepping backward myself. You know how hard it is to actually find people willing to carry responsibility?
4. Frankly I have never even realized that this would be an issue. My main concerns have been with ensuring that authors are always properly credited (I even went as far as enforcing a realname principle whenever there would be concern that people's nicknames change or are very generic).
5. History has left me a bit paranoid about various problems that can arise. Thus the various demands. Then there are usability issues: If I am verifying whether an emulator actually meets those requirements, and I hit a stonewall a hundred times trying to use the emulator, I'm not very happy. Can't help it. However, it's easier for everyone if the knowledgeable parties just fill a checklist on what's implemented and what's not :)
6. Now this is something I have no excuse for. I take much for granted. Even when God performs miracles, I think "now this was a normal day". So, I apologize. As for ignoring the work in progress as if it did not exist: when I have no personal interest on the subject, I approach the project only in the role of the administrator, and from #3 it follows that I check it rarely and only when necessary, and from #5 it follows that bad experiences can make it even rarer.
To sum it up, personal interest can make a lot of difference. If I'm interested about something you are doing and I'm not burdened by policies and other administrative responsibilities, you'll find that I'm not really that antisocial.
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mz wrote:
-Elitist judging system that motivate people to keep TASing the same 5 or so games over and over again (Zelda, Sonic, Mario, Megaman, Metroid, etc.). No one wants to waste months of his life just to see his work rejected only because the judge in turn has never played your game before and he doesn't find it entertaining. And let's not talk about waiting 65 months to see a run accepted, when it should be much faster if we didn't have this stupid elitist system with just a couple of judges.
Since I've been away, busy with real life issues, I managed to miss this gem, and felt I should address it, if for no other reason than for my own catharsis.
Firstly, step off your soapbox, mz. I personally have accepted many runs which I found to be utterly boring, but those runs happened to have good feedback from the people who chose to voice their opinion. Personal bias does play a role sometimes, but it's usually only an issue on borderline runs, or runs which don't follow the rules. And if you don't like the rules, that's fine. But mindless bitching doesn't make things better, it just breeds contempt.
Secondly, I understand that sarcasm and over-exaggeration is the language of the internet, but it also makes people take you less seriously. And I have a hard time taking anything you say seriously after you say that it takes literally over 5 years for a movie to get accepted. After I became a judge last August, I made it a point to make sure that very few runs stayed unjudged for more than 1 month. And until recently, when I've had other, more important things to worry about, I had kept up that goal.
You say you hate the site now, because of the old members, and their inability to change. Well, I hate people like you who only come to bash others while complaining about how no one takes their opinion seriously. So I guess we're even.
I would start out by saying that much of the direction of the site takes has to do with the community, and I am somewhat disappointed with the community in the way this incident has derailed.
I will start by addressing mz's comments, and I will conclude with some statements about the status of this community right now.
mz wrote:
-Elitist judging system [.......] And let's not talk about waiting 65 months to see a run accepted
The judging system has to have standards. Judges need to thoroughly review movies and make sure the adhere to what this site stands for. I would always hope that the site represents the best in tool assisted videos. If someone used a hack or modified an .avi to beat it faster than possible, and we called this a TAS, we would be sorely mistaken, and this would take away from our site image. We would appear to be hacking games as opposed to speedrunning them perfectly. There must be standards in place to uphold the quality of the site.
mz wrote:
-Bisqwit. I think he'd rather have another MTV interview for himself instead of having a community the size of YouTube.
This is completely inaccurate, it is quite obvious with the way Bisqwit conducts himself that he is not in this for fame.
mz wrote:
Thanks to this we only have published TASes for the most popular games, the encodes for more complex systems take years to appear on the website
Sometimes movies are published based on demand. This is due to the community. The encodes for more complex systems are much harder for the encoders to produce well. Punky Skunk for example has problems with audio synchronization. The game files are also much larger and much harder to come by. It is also much harder and much more unfamiliar for the encoders to encode much complex systems. This is why this problem occurs. It has been stated that we could use more quality encoders who can publish movies that adhere to the site guidelines for the more difficult systems.
mz wrote:
the website is more static than most 1998 FrontPage sites, the community is completely separated from the real website (forum/real website... Most new people don't even know there are so many people behind those TASes), our TASes a lot of times receive more comments on sites like YouTube instead of ours, because it's much harder for a newbie to leave comments here, etc etc.
I can see what you mean by this. It isn't terrible the way it is now, but it could definitely be better. This is a legitimate claim. You should offer some constructive criticism instead of insulting the work people have put into it.
mz wrote:
I've been personally annoyed by him: it took him more than a year to accept PCSX or at least show interest, he doesn't want to accept runs with hacks in them (like that finished Resident Evil 3 TAS or Metal Gear Solid...)
Bisqwit doesn't keep up with what is going on at the site too much lately. He has gone so far as to state that he wants the community to begin to take hold of the site and continue development so he becomes less required. The runs with hacks brings up a huge issue of verification. It has to be made sure that the game runs as close as it can to how it would on the actual console. This site does not 'use hacks to speedrun', so some standards must be created, and very possibly this took longer than it should have. I don't know the entire history of the incidence, but Bisqwit doesn't read every thread so it is very possible that many things were not directly brought to his attention.
mz wrote:
And he should be the one making the changes needed by this community to be more alive, and not just this elitist soon to be dead thing
It isn't really Bisqwit's responsibility to progress this community. The amount of time Bisqwit has already devoted to the progression of this site is astronomical. He has stated he wants less to do with the site in the future. I find it quite ridiculous that you would so blatantly insult the individual who has created and raised this community. You may have issues with the current condition of this website, and you may have problems with Bisqwit's standards, but I find it outrageous that you would insult him as an individual. Bisqwit tries to enforce reasonable and reliable standards for the community to abide by. If the entire community made a movement to adjust Bisqwit's standards, I'm sure he would comply. I'm sure that everyone who frequents these forums is thankful that the community Bisqwit created is still here today, regardless of policy.
To conclude.
mz, everyone here recognizes and respects that you are the main reason we currently have PSX TASes on the workbench. You had to jump a few hurdles, and I'm sure it was frustrating to have an emulator you considered fully functional so highly critiqued by the site requirements. Some of your claims have legitimacy, but it would benefit discussion more if you could state them more objectively without frustration. Constructive criticism will produce a better site. Flaming leads to flaming (as we've just witnessed), constructive criticism often leads to constructive solutions. Can we all at least turn this discussion into constructive criticism.
What I'm clearly hearing is the following
1: We are short on quality encoders.
2: We are short on active judges.
3: We are short on people who develop and improve the site.
Part of your solution seems to be to lower the standards. I don't think this is the mentality we want the site to begin to take.
We definitely need more people to do all these things. It is not the current 'staff's responsibility to do these things. They all volunteer, you can't ask a time requirement out of them. It is easily obvious that we need more active volunteers to contribute to the site if we want to fix these problems. That falls on the community as a whole.
This community definitely needs to begin to take some direction in progressing towards the future and squabbling amongst ourselves does not improve things.
I can't honestly see how it could be beneficial to flame someone who has put so much work into an emulator for this site. Could we at least try to maintain some tact amongst the people who make significant contributions to the website.
I was sorry to see this discussion derail so poorly. I had hoped the community would have worked through this incident a bit more maturely. This is why I posted.
I used to feel the same way as you did mz. I really did. I stopped coming here as actively as I used to because I was tired of the elitist attitude that had arisen, and I even blamed Bisqwit personally (though I didn't feel it was necessary, or constructive to come out and say this), but there's something fundamentally wrong here.
Bisqwit is a convenient martyr, but lashing out like this isn't constructive. This site has grown to an unmaintainable point (by just one man), and I think he knows that. Whether Bisqwit was stepping down or not, there needs to be more people actively responsible for maintaining and moderating this community, as well as fostering new members.
Since everyone here volunteers their time whenever they can (judges, editors, encoders, TASers ... everyone), it's difficult to address all the needs of a growing community and meet their ever increasing expectations consistently.
It's not fair to lay all the blame on Bisqwit, mz's entitled to his opinion, but this should be used as an opportunity to address (legitimate) deficiencies. I'm sure I duplicated a few of Kirkq's points here, but I felt the need to get my two cents out there ;)
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It SHOULD go like this: Coders improve emulators, Players do the movie thingies and Admins maintain the site. Each one should do their best and be concerned only with their own job and trust that the others are doing the same.
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
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The Judgment of Solomon is a metaphorical expression referring to a wise judge who uses a stratagem to determine the truth, tricking the parties into revealing their true feelings. Specifically, the judge pretends that he will destroy the subject matter of a dispute, rather than allowing either disputing party to win at the expense of the other. (There is no reason to believe this is anything more than a pretense.)
The saying is based upon the Biblical passage in 1 Kings 3:16-28, where two new mothers approach Solomon, bringing with them a single baby boy. Each mother presents the same story - she and the other woman live together. One night, soon after the birth of their respective children, the other woman woke to find that she had smothered her own baby in her sleep. In anguish and jealousy, she took her dead son and exchanged it with the other's child. The following morning, the woman discovered the dead baby, and soon realized that it was not her own son, but the other woman's.
After some deliberation, King Solomon calls for a sword to be brought before him. He declares that there is only one fair solution: the live son must be split in two, each woman receiving half of the child. Upon hearing this terrible verdict, the boy's true mother cries out:
Sticky wrote:
HUZZAH FOR COMMUNISM!
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
Workbench has 18 submissions, i dont think the processing of a submission is that bad, if the queue had 50 or so...
Rejecting games because people didn't play/appreciate them however, that's bad in my book, so lower the bar you jerks, at least on the consoles that get less runs, n64 should be full of games submitted already... although now that I recall the n64 emulators always had graphical problems right? -I don't know since I dont emulate n64.
Anyway, now with psx and ngc you should allow the runs to come and let others obsolete them if there's interest on optimization :) More runs, more people come, more people could get interested in what you do.
Workbench has 18 submissions, i dont think the processing of a submission is that bad, if the queue had 50 or so...
Rejecting games because people didn't play/appreciate them however, that's bad in my book, so lower the bar you jerks, at least on the consoles that get less runs, n64 should be full of games submitted already... although now that I recall the n64 emulators always had graphical problems right? -I don't know since I dont emulate n64.
Anyway, now with psx and ngc you should allow the runs to come and let others obsolete them if there's interest on optimization :) More runs, more people come, more people could get interested in what you do.
You may want to count the number of N64 and PSX runs that have been submitted... There really haven't been that many, mostly due to the quirks of the emulators and the different mindset you need for 3-D games.
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