Managed to save 210 frames or 3,5 seconds from the any% TAS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhpxw4bwAHQ
I also TASed the first cycle until talking to the scarecrow (after that saving time doesn't help anymore due to ingame time being the major factor) a while back. Saved another 150 frames back then, together with that new Mask Salesman cutscene skip, that saves over 20 seconds we can save quite some time now.
Not even a bit close to being enough to be worth a new MM TAS, though ;)
There's a silver rupee (100 rupees) in a treasure chest in the Stock Pot Inn. Would getting that be faster than the first round of manipulating rupees outside Clock Town?
no, the major factor is ingame time, so the goal is to avoid as many areas without moving ingame time as possible. opening that chest and opening all the doors adds 3 seconds of no moving ingame time.
ingame time is the major factor, because we have to wait for the clock tower to open.
I know this is kinda weird to ask but is there a 100% speedrun of MM that don't use glitches/bugs and at the same time don't waste a single ingame minute?
I want to see how much you can do in the least amount of cycles/days/etc.
Kinda hard to do when most peeps abuse glitches or speed up time/use the song whenever it is beneficial to them and not the game world itself.
Yea, like I said kinda a weird idea but that would be something I would like to watch.
So... A speedrun getting 100%, but without superslides, hovering, sequence breaks, Fairy Fountain map abuse, etc.? That sounds like a long and boring TAS that no one will ever make. I think the Let's Play community would be more likely to help with your 'weird idea'.
Was there ever a TAS of 100%? I know there's any%.
Yea, there a few you can easily find on youtube.
rog wrote:
Zelkova wrote:
Yea, like I said kinda a weird idea but that would be something I would like to watch.
Do it yourself then, because no one else will.
See, that comment was nice until you get the bold, just a note a warning but you kinda made yourself sound like a jerk which I going to assume isn't your goal. It hard to hear tone through text and stating such a thing to a newbie can easily put one off from staying on the forum. I been on a few forums and lucky for you I understand that it hard to put emotion into text.
But yea, that would be something I personally would love to watch but if no one else have done it I may do it myself. It just easier to ask the question then it is to get started and halfway through you found out that someone already did it and done it much better.
Was there ever a TAS of 100%? I know there's any%.
Yea, there a few you can easily find on youtube.
I just searched YouTube for a 100% TAS because I was looking forward to watching one, but I couldn't find any. I only found a 100% TAS of Stone Tower Temple and a 100% real-time speedrun. Do you have a link to the YouTube video of a 100% TAS?
there's no 100% TAS and there'll never be one. Planning all ingame time related things is almost impossible without many many years of work if you want to do it optimally.
If there's ever going to be a 100% TAS, it'd probably/certainly be pretty bad technical wise.
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MrGrunz wrote:
there's no 100% TAS and there'll never be one. Planning all ingame time related things is almost impossible without many many years of work if you want to do it optimally.
If there's ever going to be a 100% TAS, it'd probably/certainly be pretty bad technical wise.
This is just IMHO, but if our standards are so high as to make certain run categories literally impossible, then maybe our standards are too high for those categories...
I'd rather see a slightly suboptimal 100% TAS than nothing at all.
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Nightwatch wrote:
This is just IMHO, but if our standards are so high as to make certain run categories literally impossible, then maybe our standards are too high for those categories...
I'd rather see a slightly suboptimal 100% TAS than nothing at all.
One issue I can see is that it's not like SM64 where you can pick and choose levels (sorta). You can't jump around in the story as much as you could with OoT.
Though, I second the sub-optimal 100% myself.
When TAS does Quake 1, SDA will declare war.
The Prince doth arrive he doth please.
I would imagine that the standards of a 6 hour TAS should be different from the standards for an hour and a half TAS. Besides, in a lot of cases, the difference between "optimal" and "nearly optimal" is a rather small amount of time, but a rather large amount of effort.
For example, ignoring the fact that the route is out of date, would this be a sufficient level of optimization?
Also ignoring the fact that this is over 3 years old, so it doesn't use a bunch of stuff discovered since then.
Part of the reason no 100% TAS has happened for this game is because there are a lot of tricks for this game, most of which you'd have to have a pretty thorough knowledge of TASing MM/OoT to understand. That's a small number of people who would have the know-how needed to make even a "nearly optimal" run and route. And the Zelda TASers have notably high standards; so far, they haven't wanted to do a 100% unless it's done optimally, and that's just a heartbreaking endeavor (because invariably they'd find improvements along the way, and there are so many route options it's mind-boggling).
I'm sure an amateur effort to 100% this in a TAS would be supported but it would probably not even be "nearly optimal" simply because route planning alone is such a damn pain. That's ignoring mastery of frame-perfect tricks, etc.
