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Right now, DOOM movie replay system is the only exception to movie formats that we allow, which are normally based on emulation. Because when you're emulating the hardware the original game is meant to run on, it's a guarantee that no possible flaw or cheating is involved that may come from the in-game movie replay system. Some games provide too much freedom in their internal movies, like forcing your position to something arbitrary, which wouldn't be possible while playing normally.
So if we want to add support for some new in-game movie replay system, which is by definition game-specific, we need to make sure it doesn't allow illegitimate techniques, has proper savestate support, is deterministic, and is overall reliable enough for general TAS use.
Another option would be to use libTAS. Because it already guarantees legitimacy of the movie, even though it's not an emulator (but an API translation layer), and has reliable TAS tools. It only work on Linux and WSL2 though.
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How much time does the Overflow Glitch save overall?
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What would be the amount of necessary dungeons for Easy, and how many of them are Easy-only?
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This run needs some more feedback. Only 2 posts with definitive opinions on entertainment.
I personally think that there wasn't just enough crazy-fast-whole-screen movement: everything was dying so fast! So you don't have enough time to fully understand how ridiculously hard it gets near the end. So to a clueless viewer it may look like "just regular perfect play". Voted Meh.
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Acumenium wrote:
I gave an RPG scenario just above this quote. Look at it.
When the infamous "No Sphere Grid, No Summons, No Customization, No Overdrives" challenge of Final Fantasy X was finally beaten, many had done it with emulators, but those weren't entertaining runs. Everyone knew what it would look like to beat it, it's just that for many years, the RNG never lined up. Save state abuse wouldn't have led to anything entertaining, and even this video would probably be seen as uninteresting to those who aren't interested in low-level challenges or who might be but aren't aware how brutally hard this actually is and how low the chances to win even are.
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If a low-level challenge of an RPG had you able to beat the first boss at level 3 at the earliest, or level 1 with the use of TAS tools like save/load states and so on, a TAS of it isn't very interesting for the purpose of watching someone try to beat it.
I'm looking right at it, and I still don't understand what you're tying to say.
Acumenium wrote:
This fails at being entertaining to anyone wishing to watch the challenge for the minimal A Button aspect due to not being possible to imitate
How do you know this exactly?
Acumenium wrote:
This run is entirely arbitrary. It assigns a "goal" at complete random. Another run for a game that is the first of its kind is going to be rejected on the basis that beating the game-assigned high scores is "arbitrary", but a player-assigned goal with no clear end ("62 A buttons") is somehow acceptable as the umpteenth branch of a game?
Stop repeating this like a mantra. I already explained why it's not arbitrary, you skipped it, I reminded you, you skipped again and now you're repeating it again.
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Acumenium wrote:
That's not the "minimum B presses", it's literally none.
This does press A though, and quite a lot. It is the definition of arbitrary.
It presses A as few times as known to be possible, which is what "minimum" means. If 0 is possible, 0 is minimum. When you try to complete a game in minimal time, you don't say "it's not 0 frames therefore it's arbitrary", do you? Because it wouldn't be "movie duration the author arbitrarily picked and decided to stick to", it'd be, once again, known minimum, of time. Same thing with A and B presses in this and in walkathon.
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Board games are typically disallowed here no matter how technically impressive because they're boring.
Where are you even getting this from?
Acumenium wrote:
Does the poll really count when almost every thread features the Judges having to yell at people what the poll even means?
The poll plays a role, the posts play a role, existing precedents play a role, it's a complex task. There's no stat that would allow us to judge things blindly, because if it was possible to approach a creative hobby that way, it would just have been automated instead of getting "peer-reviewed".
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The issue is that challenges are supposed to be relatable
Who told you that? You keep saying that being superhuman is a bad thing for a TAS, this is nonsense. It's the very point of TASing. TASing exists in the first place exactly because it was obviously superhuman and that was what entertained its audience.
Acumenium wrote:
Right now, it's not a challenge, because it's a TAS, there's no such thing as difficulty.
This is even more ridiculous. If it's not a difficult task to minimize the A presses, just go ahead and improve this movie. Either by time or by having less A presses. Of course there's a lot of difficulty involved in TASing. Just like there's a lot of difficulty involved in programming, chess, art, science, or any other job where you have the tools and the time, but you have to be very creative and precise.
Acumenium wrote:
"Superplay" also feels subjective.
It's meant to be subjective. It's why we have the voting system: people share their feelings.
Acumenium wrote:
Visually, nothing is impressive at all about this run. The player gets stuck in the ground for minutes at a time, waits for a turtle to waddle, hits it to go up a bit, repeat, so on. That's not visually impressive.
We've heard you. You didn't enjoy it. It's okay, everyone can't enjoy every movie. We publish to Moons what majority would (and did) enjoy. There's no point in fighting against this movie's existence, because no matter how far you go with that, it's still in the minority.
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Is it technically impressive? Yes. So would a great many "boring" board games.
But 99% of people watching this are not going to be realizing why it is technically impressive.
Are you reading their minds or something? How do you know their opinions without them speaking up, and even with this precision?
Acumenium wrote:
My biggest problem with this movie was knowing it'd get published as it represents incredibly bad problems with the publication system here.
- Super Mario Bros. runs are frequently turned down due to being "hard to accept". This doesn't seem to be particularly true.
The issue is I've seen this as a rejection reason for additional runs of other games, or for "arbitrary goals" like not taking damage at all.
Examples?
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It was recently said a new non-Kaizo ROM hack of Super Mario Bros. 3 would obsolete Mario Adventure if accepted---why? What would it even have in common with it?
Quote?
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- Runs with very little original gameplay obsolete full game runs instead of existing concurrent as a different branch because "we have too many branches", said by Judges who accept the seventh Super Mario Bros. entry.
Quote?
Acumenium wrote:
Or Mega Man. There's no zipless runs of any of the games to feature zipping glitches, and I'm not really sure why.
- Categorizing runs is "too difficult" because glitches "are arbitrary", as a run is accepted with an arbitrary and non-definite goal like "don't press A very much".
You're completely making this up now, and you're repeating the point that has been disproved long ago, fighting a strawman for good measure.
Acumenium wrote:
I have unironically seen "zipless" runs be considered "arbitrary and will be rejected if submitted" here.
Quote?
Acumenium wrote:
tl;dr: In a vacuum, this run doesn't have an issue. It isn't very interesting to me but it doesn't have to be. It being accepted represents serious flaws in the publishing system as a whole. It should've been immediately rejected given what many other runs and branches have to put up with, but it wasn't. It was rather accepted for every reason those types of runs are rejected.
Yeah. It's impossible to discuss without links and quotes.
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There was a concern about skipping a ton of enjoyable content, with comparisons made to Sonic 3 & Knuckles. However, this did not seem to be a common sentiment and personally, I'm ok with how drastic the difference is between this TAS and previous ones. This TAS feels much more superhuman than previous efforts.
If there's a lot of support for it being its own branch, we might tweak this.
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That sounds like a max score goal to me. Is there something that one could more objectively and clearly maximize without having to beat the same opponents (too much)? What percentage of "visible max skill" would it be in terms of time?
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Ah so you can send things to Valhalla without increasing it further if it's already full?
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InputEvelution wrote:
Say I wanted to make a "max skill level" TAS in a game where the player's skill level is displayed as an integer, but it's stored as a float in the game's data, meaning it can still technically be increased beyond what appears to be its "max" (with this approach adding considerably to the run's final time). In such a case, should the skill level be only increased up to the highest integer, or its highest total value?
Sounds like a perfect edge case. Please describe how it works with this game, maybe we'll come up with something.
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Maybe no benefit, but is it displayed anywhere, and is there a hard cap for it?
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How many potential full completion requirements will be met if you just maximize your evaluation rating? Does it have a known limit too?
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The way I see the available options.
I agree that it's too little content to call it "full", because the same metric can be applied way further, increasing the same kind of content as shown here. So there's no sense in stopping here if we want to maximize it.
Ideally this would just be sent to Moons, but it looks like it'd be non-trivial to achieve due to lack of interest. At the very least it's a borderline movie because there are good votes but almost no posts supporting it in terms of entertainment. Are there any RPGs on the site that are similar in gameplay to this one? If so, do they usually get Moons ratings?
Might feel like a dirty hack (or a neat workaround?), but there's an option to just push it to Moons as a blank branch, and if it ever gets definitively bad rating, obsolete it with a future full completion run. Why not? We couldn't get people to post here, so they shouldn't complain that we're solving this by making them rate instead :D
As for future full completion definition, simply playing all dungeons available in hard mode feels weird. Because how would you call it? "Most dungeons"? Playing all dungeons at least makes sure it really plays them all, even if it's 2 playthroughs. As for items and chars, I'd need more details on how they work, how you know you have some of them collected right now, and what sending to Valhalla means, and what the effect is.
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We can't even prove that we've completed everything we needed without going "just remember that there's X of these, now this is how they are being completed"?
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Is there any easy way to check whether some completion criterion has been satisfied? For example, for anything that's decided to be (or not to be) a part of full completion, if it's displayed somewhere in the game or acknowledged in-game in some other way, it's a more clear criterion than things you need to just know where they are, how many of them is there, and whether or not they have been completed, by comparing the movie with guides.
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However, despite that I just said, I think there is still a chance for this movie. The fact is... We can't talk about loss in entertaining, if the movie wasn't entertaining in first place. Yes, because the existing publication is already in Vault, so it shouldn't really matter if a new movie is made with a game version that makes it even less entertaining. At this point we need to focus just on the technical merits of the two movies. And since the game version used for this submission resulted objectively harder to play, it should by logic be considered preferred over the easier to play version.
On the other hand, I have to acknowledge that until now, version choice of any game was always made in order to pick the game that allowed to beat the game faster, doesn't matter how unfair the advantage looked. Some versions were picked because lagged less, some where picked because allowed more useful glitches... Historically, the slower version of a game was allowed only as an extra beside the faster one, and only if it resulted in more than 50% of gameplay differences. This may not look favorable for this submission, but we need to ask ourselves: why were the faster versions always preferred in the past? Was it for the sake of maximizing entertaining quality, or was it for the sake of maximizing technical quality? I think that in the end, the solution of this dispute just depends on answering this question. And if anyone doesn't agree that the core of the problem is in there, then I'd be curious to learn why.
First of all, the difficulty guideline isn't talking about game versions, only about explicit game modes. For game modes, here's the rule we have, but it doesn't mention difficulty. It talks about variety of factors to consider, and difficulty may or may not be among them.
Also to clarify the meaning of the difficulty guideline. The difficulty choice should make the movie more interesting and entertaining, even if it's in Vault. Harder to TAS does not necessarily mean more interesting and entertaining to watch. Even if the strategies are different, the main question is: do they look better now? And it doesn't mean "are they more optimized?" because that's already a requirement for obsoletion. It means "do they leave subjectively better impression than in the current movie?"
For this submission, we need to answer both of those questions though: "is it more optimal?" and "does this game version make the movie more interesting/entertaining?" Situation with lag may make it hard to compare, because an improvement means some trick has been found that could be applied to the old TAS and make it faster. Still doable of course. As for preferred game version, it's really up to the audience, and here's what audience preference looks like (the example there is also about difficulty of versions).
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Whatever the best port is, subjectively.
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Acumenium wrote:
No one can compete because it's strictly a TAS run due to the bizarre frame-perfect glitching and use of multiple directions here. Walkathons can be competed with by normal people. Doesn't matter if the TAS is faster---you can at least try to play against it, and it's a goal that real people can try and entertain.
You're basically saying that being superhuman (TAS only) is a flaw of this TAS. I've never seen such an argument before.
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If ROM hacks have to enter a fierce survival of the fittest to determine what can occupy the limited spaces of Moons when the hacks only faintly relate to each other in terms of entertainment space, I am very curious why entirely arbitrary goals like only pressing one of the buttons [x] amount of times is something that can be kept and maintained as a tier, especially when the goal has no possible speed focus.
Routing can determine how quickly you can complete a walkathon, so there's still an element of speedrunning to those. This has none, speed is not a focus.
I already explained why 62 A presses is not an arbitrary number. Did you skip that part?
And yes, this movie does aim for shortest time as a secondary goal, lowest A being the primary one.
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Per Oxford and Merriam-Webster, both sourced there, the words are indeed a bit different and minimal refers to something that is almost at the lowest point, but not quite.
1 The least or smallest amount or quantity possible, attainable, or required.
‘keep costs to a minimum’
1.1 The lowest or smallest amount of a varying quantity (e.g. temperature) allowed, attained, or recorded.
‘clients with a minimum of £500,000 to invest’
The 1.1 is literally what this movie is.
And if you look closely at the example for 1, it also matches: it doesn't require a proof that there's absolutely no way on earth to make it even lower. Just presence of a goal and some cost that's considered attainable minimum, not even known in advance. Exactly like this movie.
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Speed is an arbitrary goal if there's no end point.
How fast you can run does not matter if it's not specifying for how long, or for what distance. Everyone can be Usain Bolt for one step but I don't think they'll be like him for a ten yard dash, or for an hour.
Super Mario Bros. has a clear ending point: saving Princess Peach. If ACE could do this at the title screen, that would be the fastest method to do it, like in Mario 3.
I wouldn't even compare this type of run to the submitted and likely to be canceled run of SMS California Games as that at least lists a defined goal that is easily understandable: you beat the default high score. That is the "endpoint". Going past it makes no sense per the game itself.
I don't see what point you're proving here.
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Does it work on interim libTAS?
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WarHippy wrote:
I want to compare this to your warpless walkathon run. What if you ended up having to press B in order to cross the gap in 4-3? That would immediately have put the entire run into a gray area.
Since avoiding B completely was already very possible with warps, submitting "1 B press, warpless" would feel underdeveloped. So naturally, it only was submitted when true walkathon was achieved.
WarHippy wrote:
And now you want to pass off a Jumpless run with "only" 60+ jumps? Trying to disguise it as minimum A presses is too much of a stretch for me.
The very first sentence of the submission text reads:
Mario got tired of jumping, so he thought: how do I save the princess with the fewest jumps?
And then:
We ended up using only 62 A presses. It's also a completion with the fewest jumps.
Why do you think this movie is meant to be "Jumpless"? Why do you think there's something to disguise here, when it's stated at the top of the submission? Why do you think the authors aren't being honest with their goals? Are you reading their minds?
Acumenium wrote:
A walkathon isn't very comparable, it's not an arbitrary goal, is something anyone can try and compete against (just don't press B), etc. This isn't.
Why can't anyone compete here?
Acumenium wrote:
That's not the "minimum B presses", it's literally none.
This does press A though, and quite a lot. It is the definition of arbitrary.
It presses A as few times as known to be possible, which is what "minimum" means. If 0 is possible, 0 is minimum. When you try to complete a game in minimal time, you don't say "it's not 0 frames therefore it's arbitrary", do you? Because it wouldn't be "movie duration the author arbitrarily picked and decided to stick to", it'd be, once again, known minimum, of time. Same thing with A and B presses in this and in walkathon.
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This is the same definition of 100% as on SRC, which is actually "all levels", right?
FractalFusion wrote:
The only thing that determines whether a hack is accepted (or similarly for non-hacks, what tier a movie should go into) is the judge's opinion. Nothing else.
One could even argue that voting is completely useless.
This is wrong BTW. It's often that a judge doesn't agree with what the audience finds entertaining or boring, and it's not exceptional to go with the audience in the actual judgment. It's how it's been working ever since 2012. Feedback is fundamentally subjective, and it's meant to be an important part of tiering exactly as subjective tastes.
Hacks specifically get handled like Moons branches, which means they can obsolete one another. For this one, it looks like a better (and more popular) SMB3 Kaizo hack has already been published and got much better feedback. So improving that movie instead would indeed be a great idea.
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Is it the hardest to play through?
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