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Nottoomuchinterest from the players' side. But yes, Megaman (especially the X series) is perfectly suitable for such stuff. However, if I started such a run, I'd also add all possible glitches due to personal preference. Playaround is better when it also showcases the glitches a normal speedrun wouldn't.
Why don't you make your own run with all your tastes applied finally?
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It now looks just as great as the game itself is. Amusing fashion. The only sad thing is the place where you have to wait for a floor to reach certain levels for you to slide. I guess you used the pause freeze in all possible places there though.
I have a thought about the fire freezing pausing. Can pause be spread throughout the room so that it doesn't occur as a huge bunch of presses? It'd be fun if you actually don't pause when you're in a narrow place, but pause when it's wide, somewhat breaks the expectation. Syncing pause to music can also be good.
Link to video
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Doing 2 player runs is easier in FCEUX than BizHawk, because the editing tool there (TASEditor, like TAStudio of bizhawk) is fully functional. You use mouse to add presses for frames you want for player you need and then unpause emulation. No need to save states to go back in your movie, just scroll and draw.
http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13521
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Great, will be up tomorrow.
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Are encodes any close to being done? I almost picked this publication already.
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Another post not having to do ANYTHING with how the games are supposed to be TASed. All my posts in this thread were about that matter. Why derail the thread?
Because you are being obtuse and irresponsible in your posts "on the matter", which has been explained to you several times over the course of the last three pages. You have already derailed this thread by repeatedly stating your opinion, and continually pushing Warp's (as if his was any worse), and arguing where there was neither interest nor need to, and not even being able to do so properly. You fail to comprehend this in your usual self-apologetic excitement. And I am here to give you a wake-up call because I'm also a moderator, and I don't think an actually important topic (these things do happen once in a while) sorely needed to turn into this. I really don't want the thread to go to waste any further, and even less do I want to turn it into feos vs. the world, so I'll just leave this note here. You can direct the rest to PMs if you want. — moozooh
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Sophists moved in. The only thing that can be answered in your post it this:
moozooh wrote:
In fact, the rules—any rules, anywhere—are merely an attempt to legalize what is ultimately based on feelings. Is killing people wrong? People seem to say so, but is afterlife perhaps a better place to be? I don't know, and can't provide infallible logic or evidence for either choice, but there is a rule that we shouldn't kill people, and I obey for the lack of a better option.
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Feelings can't go well without any clear logical base, otherwise each time you express them you're gonna cause an argument about whose feelings are more true. Also, for such a huge community, rules must be lead by fairness and common sense.
You claim all existing rules are based only on feelings, you throw the common sense part away.
and I obey for the lack of a better option.
You do nothing to help developing one.
Now please no more sophism.
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I see, but it's not the first time you argue about reset+save concept validity. Also, if you want to contribute at least through discussion, you must be able to develop your own system to reflect reality we are trying to discover here. Otherwise you're talking to no one; voicing opinions has a goal in mind, it's not done for the sake of itself. The goal is to discover reality and improve personal vision of it.
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It's not some obsession that makes me post in this thread. As I said, the rules can develop, and it's always useful to discover a new aspect of common sense that was ignored by the current rules, getting the possibility to improve them constructively.
Hence, when I read Warp, I imagine his ruleset is applied to all the community and... I'm scared. Sure there will always be people that want to see the game beaten the gameplay way. No one prevents from making a movie with no save glitch. No one prevents from enjoying the existing ones that avoid it. This means, if someone WANTS to make a full use of some programming hole in the point where hardware connects the software, no one must be able to stop him. Because if such a border existed, it:
1) would make no constructive and logical sense,
2) it would distract very skilled specialists from contributing.
That's why I see no point in voicing the opinion that is NOT INFRINGED UPON ALREADY. This opinion is given a free road to contribute. Why act like it isn't? If a country has officially allowed religion A, this doesn't mean officially allowed religion B is automatically hurt by that fact.
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Shouldn't it go to Moons? The obsoleted movie had quite decent rates.
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I guess I'll encode this one as well. No improvements to expect shortly?
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AnS wrote:
The thing I don't like is that we keep using more and more heavy artillery for making the same level of achievements. I liked Pokemon Yellow "Arbitrary code", because the means were adequate to results. But when those heavy and debatable techniques are used for simple speedrunning (decreasing the movie length, but not improving on entertainment), this becomes much less impressive. You know, it's like if Neo was able to kill the Architect and then reprogram the whole Matrix directly just for the sake of dodging bullets. Not cool.
This is the natural development we are going through here. Somewhere people will get tired of technical overweight and start doing something that's completely natural by all means and showcase the very gameplay. I had the vision of that direction actually. But I'll never stop loving how insane things can go if you abuse the technical side.
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I still can't see the border you draw here that isn't based on your feelings/beliefs. Feelings can't go well without any clear logical base, otherwise each time you express them you're gonna cause an argument about whose feelings are more true. Also, for such a huge community, rules must be lead by fairness and common sense. And they can develop as some important points are found (like the Vault was invented).
My point has this logical ground:
Reset is really handled on a software level by EACH game. Some do it simple, some complicate it. Saving is handled on a software level by the game code as well. Some add checks and PREVENT corruption, some don't. Abusing the fault of not checking this process is completely similar to abusing an untested collision. Please disprove that logics.
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Battletoads disagree with you. Before you watch the intro, any reset you do brings you to the intro. If you finish watching it, resetting will let you skip the intro. See how reset is handled on the gameplay level? This means the game can handle reset differently, developers decide how.
Also, reset is a legal input, only some religious belief can tell the opposite. Again, there is at least one game that CAN NOT BE COMPLETED unless you seftreset. Not a gameplay action still?
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Warp wrote:
So you finally understand the difference? Good.
Gosh. Resetting is a gameplay action. Saving is a gameplay action. What makes doing both at once NOT a gameplay action? Being unintended by the developers? Then how the hell do you determine what is still allowed of the unintended actions to use in a TAS and what is not?
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Looks like it isn't.
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No frame war. I'd accept it already.
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I wonder what'd be next?
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12 buttons are present on regular SNES controller. This run ises 16. SNES mouse allows 32. What sounds more sure than that?
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ALAKTORN wrote:
Nach wrote:
Well guess what, the SNES Mouse was official, and the mouse movements inputs way more bits than the standard pad does.
that is the question I have been making the whole time… why do you think I’m against the publication of this movie?
all I wanted was clarification, if the mouse allows for the run to be playable on real hardware, that’s ok with me
Tried reading the previous page?
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SNES mouse accesses not just 16 bits, but even 32. The signaling protocol places no limits on length of packet.
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<GhostSonic> any SNES controller that uses dual 4021s has the necessary pins to support the extra 4 buttons. Mario Paint actually checks for one of these extra buttons being pressed. The SNES mouse reports one of them being pressed while polling in order to indicate the mouse is plugged in.
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[04:00] <Mothrayas> HOW DARE YOU PUBLISH TASES THAT CANNOT POSSIBLY HAPPEN EVER (unless I do research) I QUIT THE SITE FOREVER NOW
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ALAKTORN wrote:
an official controller is something Nintendo endorsed, there should be some kind of Nintendo seal of approval on said controller’s box, I’d imagine?
Can't see any on this one. Guys, our movies are illegal. Only the SNESbot made by Nintendo can be used to verify SNES TASes, otherwise ALAKTORN won't agree.
[03:48] <GhostSonic> I've already console verified a proof of concept that uses the extra 4 buttons if that's relevant at all
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I agree with ais523, if the controller isn’t an official one then it’s as relevant as using a famiclone to do TASes
but if there’s an official controller that allows for the run to be played on real hardware, that’s cool; I didn’t understand which was the case from your post
I wonder how at all you can talk about console verification when none of the tools we feed the console input from was released by Nintendo.
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