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Why should I, lol? OK, I'm tuning out of here.
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Some complete crap, probably to SMB2j. Dunno. I don't care.
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I deleted you nonsense post, if it didn't exist how would I know whom to ban? :D
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No reason, you tell me? Can you repeat here the comment I banned you after? Or will you pretend you didn't leave any at my channel?
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This is fucking unwatchable! Voting "This is fucking unwatchable!"
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The previous movie (SML2 any%) got a channce to be unobsoleted. See Post #356127.
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At frame 1174 I jumped sooner and saved 4 frames.
After frame 2212 I changed the strats and saved 121 frame starting the next room.
At frame 2326 I jumped 3 frames earlier and saved 6 frames on getting up.
I predict that the movie is overall very suboptimal. If needed, I can try really looking for improvements. The above alone took me 415 rerecords, while the submission uses just 6 times that number throughout 15 minutes of intense gameplay!
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I see there has been discussion on obsoleting the 21 minute movie with this one. I dislike that idea. As stated in the SML2 topic, I think these three categories are the most appropriate:
- any% with the pipe glitch to skip levels (standard run)
- 100% glitchless (shows most of the game)
- glitched (this movie)
This movie doesn't ever visit Wario's castle. Even the staff credits BGM is wrong...
To me, it would be a bad decision to have this movie replace the current movie.
In the case of Chrono Trigger I think the decision was a bad one because I think save-corruption should always be a different category. However, I'm fine with the Earthbound example - though the old movie shows more of the game's content.
MUGG wrote:
I just realized the obsoletion did already take place.
What happened to the any% category?!
I really wish this obsoletion could be reverted, because it's just wrong in my opinion. People around the internet, as I've seen, commented on this movie to contain a 'bad ending' and being a bad speedrun (because it skips everything and has the wrong credits BGM)... And we didn't even verify this glitch route on a real gameboy yet. I strongly recommend we seperate the previous movie and this one.
Talking about precedents, Chrono Trigger's obsoletion was a bad decision anyway in my opinion. In Earthbound you could at least see half of the game. It still wouldn't have been bad to use seperate categories in both cases, in my opinion and I'm sure others think the same. I might as well read up on the corresponding submission texts, but maybe someone could explain to me why those obsoletions took place? Why the need to keep categories minimal?
What comes to my mind now is what should a new any% run look like. It would need to forgo all the glitches related to pausing & quitting? (emphasis by feos)
By pausing & quitting at the correct time, you can take one item to another level.
This can be used with Mushrooms, Fireflowers, Carrots, Starmans, 1-ups, bubbles, checkpoint bells, goal bells, pipes (either direction; using a downward pipe leads to the famous pipe glitch as we know it). The previous movie used the pipe glitch to skip levels and used a checkpoint bell in moon zone 1 to skip some of moon zone 2.
Since apparently the pipe glitch is banned for other categories, what about all the other related glitches?
Banning the trick with the bubble would kill the other out of bounds glitch (bubble glitch in conjunction with object-loading glitch). It would probably not be used anyway.
Why both must co-exist? Because one just plays the game with heavy glitches, while the other deliberately corrupts the memory and soft-hacks the game.
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Also, for comparing 1-payer optimization, there is this:
Aglar wrote:
I tried this game out this summer and produced the following 1-player test run. After this my intention was to make a 2-player run and then submit it but my interest pretty much died as I was taking the first steps with two players. Then a 2-player run of the SNES version of the game was submitted so I thought a NES-version wasn't needed. Anyway, since it's christmas I thought it'd be a good timing to make the run public as it's still pretty interesting, the highlight being level 5 I think.
There have already been some submissions for this game but none that really made this game justice, not that I say that this run does so either but it's at least 4,5 minutes faster than the fastest submitted run.
Enjoy!
http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1178353449/Battletoads%20Double%20Dragon%20%28U%291playertest.fcm
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WST wrote:
Love the heavy death abuse :)
Many places look really creative. Can’t say anything about the optimization level, but it was certainly fun to watch, it’s a clear yes vote from me :)
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I mean, memory corruption looks like a sane enough borderline to separate 2457M as "glitched" and 950M as "any%", with a room for improving each of them in their own branches.
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Are we going to have two glitched runs? One for the wrong-warp and one for arbitrary code execution?
I don't think so.
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How about calling them just glitched and any% (which transcribes in having no branch)?
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Oh wow!
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Nach wrote:
feos wrote:
If we drop 10bit444 tag for these encodes, it will cause huge confusion between the old encodes without tags that were 8bit420 and the new ones.
But we should drop that tag, and replace it with something more fitting. Or drop the tag on this, and add a tag to the other. If both are appropriately labeled, no need for confusion.
Adding a tag to the other? You mean the encodes that already exist and are 420?
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If we drop 10bit444 tag for these encodes, it will cause huge confusion between the old encodes without tags that were 8bit420 and the new ones. And yes, since 512kb encode is officially provided for compatibility, it must do it to maximum, avoiding opus until it is supported freaking everywhere.
The test video works with the linked K-Lite codecs.
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I guess now I see the borderline for a glitched branch.
If it heavily corrupts memory and the result is heavily different from any%, it is glitched. Breaking something here and there may still be heavy glitch abuse, but remain gameplay-based and look like such. While heavy memory corruption usually results in soft-hacking the game to break gameplay flaw completely.
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This movie really got a chance for unobsoletion. Imagine it was submitted today. Will it present enough unique content to be published alongside with the current any% branch? What branch would it be itself?
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Yeah, we would need to differentiate them by using some branches. Not just by tags.
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Sure, write all you wish so that no one then says "is that it, huh?"
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What about content overlap? Are those so different they need separate places in Moons? Prove they are.
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Okay, after a long conversation with adelikat, I was given approval to change some obsoletion chains if it will fit into the system of tiers.
Now the question becomes not, whether a movie must be ubobsoleted, but rather, would it be accepted if it is submitted today?
Explanation. To reduce the amount of arbitrary branches in the past, judges decided to obsolete runs by one another that were quite different. For example, SML2 any% was obsoleted by glitched. Now, if we imagine that the any% SML2 is submitted today, will it be rejected for suboptimality comparing to the current glitched? Because, when #4041: McBobX's Genesis Knuckles in Sonic the Hedgehog in 14:09.43 was submitted, it was rejected for not using the known tricks, which would lead to overall suboptimality. Similarly, if [450] SNES Chrono Trigger by hero of the day in 4:21:11.83 will be submitted today, I think it will be rejected for failing to be up-to-date with the current level of TASing.
Another reason to reject a movie is if its content is already present on the site in a better way. So if [2400] NES Cross Fire "pacifist, no damage" by NhatNM in 05:56.36 will be submitted today, we will reject it for being too similar to [2409] NES Cross Fire by MESHUGGAH in 05:52.50 and being slower.
The last reason is having unvaultable goal but failing to achieve Moons by being boring. Not sure if such movies were obsoleted in the past, since they were most likely rejected in the first place.
So if you really want some movie to be unobsoleted, let's examine if it is eligible for Moons as if it is submitted today, and if it is not sloppy (represents the current standards/face of the site).
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That would not matter. Would we just kill the publication if it is outdated? No. Glitched submission was grabbed as an excuse to kill it. Then this "precedent" was grabbed to kill greatly optimized runs for some new reasons. See how much good such cases bring?
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That run is extremely outdated. inichi did a testrun which beat that one by almost an hour.
It was never submitted. And as long as this exact branch is unobsoleted, we can't kill it with just anything related. Otherwise it will be like, obsolete Battletoads 1p Warpless + 2p Warpless + 1p Warped: by 2p Warpless. It is not right and serves no goal actually.
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Post #327944
On the matter:
Moons allow us to publish runs that are considered GOOD by the audience and not care about the fact that it uses some strat that was also used in other branches. As long as the audience feels they are different enough, and goodlooking, theyallneedseparatepublications.
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