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adelikat wrote:
I'm not entirely familiar with a lot of rule changes here, but would this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy5qt_SOapM be acceptable (and if so, would it be playground?) based on new rules. Assuming the author submitted it to TASVideos of course.
I can't figure out how to describe the goal.
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Spikestuff wrote:
What's your thoughts on "Unnaceptable in the current standings"?
I think we need to have an explanation of whatever term we end up having, linked as something like [?] near the actual definition, similar to how there are tooltips in some apps and on some sites. That way we can have comprehensible sentences without cluttering the decision field itself. Also "unacceptable" has a "don't dare do this" vibe IMO.
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"Declined" sounds ok, tho I'm not a native speaker.
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Thank you!
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Any news so far?
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Dacicus wrote:
Is there a way to generate a list of Userfiles without an associated Game? I went back through my files in the last few days and made associations where possible, but some of them are general-purpose scripts.
Sounds like it's worth a feature request on github,
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CoolKirby wrote:
A compromise for the name sorting situation could be sorting Games by their GoodTools Name, but continuing to show the Display Name in lists, as GT names already have ", The" at the end. However, changing the sort may still be difficult for ESL users as Masterjun described.
Sounds confusing.
CoolKirby wrote:
Don't you think nonexistent and self-created games, at least, should be left out of our databases? The former is pointless to catalog as there's not even a ROM to play it back on, and the latter can be abused by indie devs submitting their own titles, with us promising that we'll "advertise" it for them alongside Cave Story and our other vetted (notable, popular, etc.) game choices.
For non-existent games there's nothing to catalog so yeah we can't do that. For low quality homebrews I don't see why it would become damaging.
CoolKirby wrote:
Also, if (almost) all submissions have a Game, should Userfiles as well?
Yes. And game resources too.
CoolHandMike wrote:
Considering that a massive amount of games are not even originally English why not also include the original name? A lot of games are difficult to find using the English alphabet anyway. There are multiple different transliterations systems for languages, and some titles are not correct, incomplete due to human error. Also, in some Japanese games in many cases transliteration must be an educated guess since there are no pronunciation guides when they are using kanji in non standard ways. Having the original name as an alternate name would bypass those issues completely.
Agreed. We should always have an ascii-only name cataloged for easier searching if the game was called non-ascii, and having the non-ascii name cataloged on top of that also makes sense for non-ascii searching, whoever can afford it.
GMP wrote:
Is it ok to provide the links to IPS patch files in the description of game pages for ROMHacks? I think it will be convenient for people to find them without any legal hassle/surfing through a lot of internet to have to find them. No to mention they could be taken down at anytime. For some ROMHacks I could not find IPS patches at all, I could only find them as entire ROMs in piracy sites. So I could create the correct IPS for that and provide it. Currently I have them stored in an archive.org item with the .ips files and instructions for how to run each movie (emulator to be used, hashes of the original rom to be patched, etc.) in text files.
There's this potential issue if we're unlucky or too careless.
Memory wrote:
Should we consider retooling the "YT Tags" field to be a more generic "Search terms" field? Like a lot of this I feel could be applied towards other sorts of searches, ie, the site itself. Not sure if it's being used in the site search atm.
Depends on how well those tags work on YT itself, and I don't know enough about it.
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GMP wrote:
Just curious, does this submission cut it for playground by any chance? Or does it still break playground rules as well?
I feel it should be fine. Other opinions?
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MESHUGGAH wrote:
PAL TASes of games with different mechanics should be handled the same way as a different game, not a different movie tier. For example NES Rygar should have both while some other might not for example NES Dragon's Lair and flat out same games with fewer FPS rejected as it only has advantages of being slower.
You probably wanted to say "if the PAL version features enough unique gameplay to feel like a different branch, its movie should co-exist as a different branch". Which is exactly what we've been doing for years. Treating them as separate games (but only under very specific conditions with no clear borderline) does not look required.
ThunderAxe31 wrote:
This submission was, in fact, "handled the same way as a different game". In order to be published as a separate branch, a movie needs to feature at least 50% unique gameplay contents (except for any% vs 100%).
I should correct this. The "50% unique content" requirement first appeared when we discussed whether to count certain in-game options as entirely different game modes, and for such, every mode would be treated as a separate game and be vaultable. With Moons branches, we were never required to calculate percentage of unique content, and this movie was rejected based on Moons requirements. Now that Vault is no more, we can still use this cutoff to determine what is a separate mode and can be a different branch in Standard. And in Moons, version differences are treated the same way as regular branch differences.
MESHUGGAH wrote:
There shouldn't be an arbitrary "X%" difference rule. How do you calculate the differences? How does X% difference affect you as a viewer? Why is there a line where two games which is "the same" according to the staff is allowed to be coexist under a different class?
If selecting a different character results in half of the levels being entirely different, that's a different mode. But this definition has been questioned by staff since then too, so don't treat it as "YES WE WILL ABSOLUTELY DEMAND THIS AT ANY COST". To me it feels like the least arbitrary borderline tho: it's majority if it's more than a half, and minority if it's less than a half.
MESHUGGAH wrote:
If I understand what the staff wants, they want to make the "common" ROM version to be featured while the other uncommon ROM version to be exist under a different name. Why? Why is this a desired thing?
Is that stated anywhere?
MESHUGGAH wrote:
If I would be a judge, I would accept NTSC SMB (one if not the most famous TAS of this site) and PAL SMB as two different TAS and NTSC only obsoletes NTSC while PAL only obsoletes PAL. No need to make different tiers/class for this TAS.
I thought this originally too, but after having compared the 2 movies more closely (a bit after it got rejected) I concluded there's not enough obvious difference to keep them both in then-Moons.
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DrD2k9 wrote:
When it comes to the listing of games in our system, all games that start with the word "The" are currently placed in the "T" section of alphabetical lists. For example, in the NES tab of the Games page, there are currently 49 entries that start with the word "The." These are all in the "T" section. I think we should we consider renaming these game entries by having "The" moved to the end of the game entry (i.e. changing The Goonies into Goonies, The) so that these games show up in the alphabetical list based on the first main word in the title instead of the word "The"? This is a standard way of alphabetizing titles in various other areas of life--one example being bibliographic notation. Using The Goonies as an example, instead of being listed after The Flintstones: The Surprise at Dinosaur Peak!, making this change would instead move it to being after Golgo 13: Top Secret Episode. Here is an example of such alphabatizing using NES games from Wikipedia. EDIT: If there's a way to have the games alphabatized the way I'm describing, but still displayed with "The" at the beginning of the name, that would also be fine. I just feel the alphabitizing needs to happen on the next word instead of "The."
I don't have a strong opinion, but I need to add that "author's" is usually moved to the end, like in "Aladdin, Disney's". I can see how both positions can be confusing from one or another POV.
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CoolKirby wrote:
1. Should pirate games, fangames and clones be included in Game groups?
Yes.
CoolKirby wrote:
2. Should we really add every submission with no Game linked to a Game entry?
Yes. For game resources too. We don't know what will be come acceptable in the future, and we want old info to be findable, so the best hub for it is game navigation pages.
Dacicus wrote:
I don't think that I would put 8 Eyes with Castlevania, though, since they had separate development teams, publishers, and commercial releases.
Looks like an edge case. I'd err on the side of showing more stuff, since more connections is better.
GMP wrote:
I am also leaving out ROM-Hacks because I assume the way they are dealt with will change as Playground is implemented.
Creating a page for every hack will be needed regardless.
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TASeditor wrote:
Is there a reason why Auto-restore on Mouse Up only has been removed?
IIRC it was made to always autorestore on mouse up, because the problems that made this option problematic were resolved.
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With other meta-GB modes we don't specify the mode as a platform, even if it's emulated to run inside GBA or GameCube, we only specify the game type. Making this mode an exception may need some good reasoning. I think we can say a game is targeting SGB explicitly if it doesn't run (or isn't playable) on regular GB. If it runs fine without the SNES, changing the platform to SGB when the movie uses the SNES may be desired by some people, but I'm not sure.
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EZGames69 wrote:
#5997: EZGames69's Uzebox Melli's Retro Land in 04:38.92 This was rejected due to game choice and being too trivial. However I feel like the triviality reason could be relooked at for this, and perhaps game choice too since Uzebox games are pretty much all considered homebrews anyway.
Do you ever have to slow down?
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benstephens1000 wrote:
- Generally speaking, me and the community for this game prefer to make any% the baseline and anything that deviates from that has additional descriptors and criteria to go along with it. That being said, TASVideos is not the community for this game and shouldn't have to accommodate the way we've done things historically, for obvious reasons. - If this TAS is not branchless, I do not know what TAS would fill that role if it was ever created. The "beat Ganon" speedrun of this game is very unpopular because it is essentially the exact same run except you wrong warp to the final boss instead of the credits. It's mostly uninteresting, is not unique, and is simply longer. I do not anticipate any TAS would ever be submitted that would ever adequately fill a branchless role except maybe a glitchless TAS if that ever happened? - I am somewhat using the discussion/decision that happened here to base this situation on: https://tasvideos.org/Forum/Topics/22944
If using the same major skip glitch as this movie is common across other categories, then it doesn't need a label whenever it's used.
Chanoyu wrote:
I for one do not see the problem with having no branchless videos of a game at all. Not everyone would know what the 'baseline' is for any given game, and it seems to me that there is nothing to be gained from leaving videos branchless?
True, in games with explicit in-game options like player count or mode we often label every branch.
ThunderAxe31 wrote:
In fact, we never published a new branch that isn't at least 50% different than any other existing branch, so I wonder how did you come to that conclusion.
I don't think we really cared about this precisely. It only mattered when deciding if something was a new vaultable mode, for Moons branches it only needed to look different, which was not always more than 50% of unique gameplay.
ThunderAxe31 wrote:
Well, a movie that forgoes using major skips could probably be considered branchless.
Agreed.
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If difference between 2 hacks is only like between 2 versions of a regular game, most of the levels are the same, characters are the same or only slightly tweaked, gameplay is the same, then we could obsolete one hack with another. Obsoleting by a hack that has different levels would not happen since that's objectively new gameplay worth seeing, and we don't do that for regular games. Cosmetic hacks therefore would be versions of regular games, and as the rule about bootlegs says, they "must not be direct clones of a licensed game on the same console".
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I just tried building https://github.com/clementgallet/libTAS/commit/818b78dad5f335c85cd4011247609d8865117f51 but it didn't sync on that commit, only on 1.4.1 stable.
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Thanks and congrats!
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I feel external memory modification should be separated from rom hacks, because they can't make a new game on an existing engine. And memory modification will absolutely be allowed in Playground as long as it's reproducible. Unlike hacks, memory editing can't be limited to some known respected resource of decent quality works, it's just entirely arbitrary. But I don't think we ever wanted to ban memory editing from Moons. If you can make it entertaining, it's a good reason to accept it IMO. Post #511417
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ROM hacks and the Standard class Some time ago we started wondering why ROM hacks, a niche thing made by fans of a given game for fans of a given game, absolutely has to appeal to an average viewer. I'm still not sure why they were banned from Vault exactly. The problem was definitely not in their potential low quality, because for homebrew games we just require that they are not terrible and allow them to Vault Standard:
Wiki: MovieRules#GameChoiceInGeneral wrote:
  • Unlicensed and homebrew games need to meet a minimum standard of game quality. They should be complete and original.
  • Bootleg games must not be direct clones of a licensed game on the same console. Unlicensed ports with unique gameplay, such as demakes, are allowed.
What will be the issue with hacks if we have the same requirements for them in Standard? One good point is some hacks are so obscure that they are barely findable already, and we can't guarantee about the future. But then we may just demand that the hack is known to smwcentral, romhacking.net, or GoodTools, and approach exceptions case by case. Overall quality of site content would be a very weird point to make against hacks. If there's more high quality TASes on the site, we get greater coverage, more people get involved and inspired, more people make more high quality TASes. If we have less high quality TASes by excluding hacks, we attract less new content creators and other contributors. So this is counter-productive. The thing that's actually lacking right now is usable organization, because it's not displayed which hacks relate to which games. But that can be implemented as needed. Am I missing anything here? Why would we not want to allow hacks for Standard if they are well made and have following?
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This post explains why this movie is currently in Playground.
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If creating a custom character can be a part of the movie, probably it makes sense to have a run that quickly creates the quickest possible char and beats the game with it. Something more arbitrary may have to be entertaining.
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KusogeMan wrote:
Link to video kreated custom characters have way better combos for speedrunning, how exactly could i use some of them into a TAS? you gotta buy their moves, but only few moves are needed for this infinite, only 3 HPs and a special move, so athe TAS could have a movie for verification just to prepare for the run
Will it be aiming for speed or entertainment?
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